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When does one gain person-hood?

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  1. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    This is incorrect. There are many fetal homicide laws that specifically recognize the fetus as a "person".

    http://www.ncsl.org/IssuesResearch/Health/FetalHomicideLaws/tabid/14386/Default.aspx

    One Example:

    Alabama*
    Ala. Code § 13A-6-1 (2006) defines "person," for the purpose of criminal homicide or assaults, to include an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability...
     
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    Correct! A homicide is by definition the killing of a person by another or a group of others.
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Read it and weep. You are wrong again!


    Alabama*
    Ala. Code § 13A-6-1 (2006) defines "person," for the purpose of criminal homicide or assaults, to include an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability and specifies that nothing in the act shall make it a crime to perform or obtain an abortion that is otherwise legal.

    http://www.ncsl.org/IssuesResearch/Health/FetalHomicideLaws/tabid/14386/Default.aspx
     
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    Can they be legally torn limb from limb while still alive? Why not?
     
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    Even Roe V Wade disagrees with you. Hence the threshold after which abortions are illegal!
     
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    WRONG! We know scientifically that the child in utero recognizes the voices of people around himself or herself and people interact with children in utero by talking to them .
     
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    Prove that MOST abortions worldwide are committed before 16 weeks.
     
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    How do we KNOW that? Recognition of voices is not interaction.



    You can talk to a rock but it doesn't mean the rock will talk back. Talking to something is not interaction.
     
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    It is when the child hears and kicks in reaction, which is common. You need to give this one up. your argument has been decimated.
     
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    It has been shown repeatedly that the VAST MAJORITY of abortions in the US are performed before 16 weeks. There is no reason to believe that other countries statistics vary much from ours even where abortion is illegal. Canada has NO restrictions on abortion, but the statistics are nearly the same. If it's your assertion that abortions are being performed for other than medical reasons or in significant numbers after 16 weeks, YOU PROVE IT.
     
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    So you have no proof. You could have said that in just a sentence. Why all the posturing? It was just a question. Can you prove it? Answer, NO!
     
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    92.2% of induced abortions in the USA take place before 15 weeks. Cease your baseless puling.
     
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    At what point does the child recognize voices of people ?

    You claim that a zygote and a human are one in the same .. does a zygote recognize the voices of people ?
     
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    Why all these stats and blathering by abortion promoters with no link or other proof? Things that make you go Hmmmmmm.
     
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    I am merely pointing out the idiocy in the comments of others. I have made it clear that the only meaningful threshold is conception.
     
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    Starting when?
     
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    Irrelevant, see prior poist before the one you replied to.
     
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    By posting some irrelevant idiocy of your own? Good strategy.

    Meaningful to you which is really not relevant to the debate.
     
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    You made the assertion. Was it irrelevant then? If so why did you make it. The least you could do is admit that it was irrelevant when you posted it.
     
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    One number transmogrifies into "all these stats"? It seems you suffer hyperbolic incomprehension syndrome.
    Your rhetorical question was answered and generated the above handwave response since it questions your false assumption.
     
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    Fetuses kick frequently, there is no way to know if a kick is a reaction or just a kick. It is not possible to tell if a fetus "recognizes" a voice. IAC, recognition is not "interaction." Talking to a fetus is not "interaction." In no way does a fetus "interact" with society.
     
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    By that argument it seems we should error on the side of life, not murder.
     
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    You may have a point there, that is why most abortions, by far, take place before it can even kick.
     
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    There are many meaningful thresholds, you have not shown why one threshold is more meaningful than another...

    Nor have you shown how the "conception" threshold equates to personhood.
     
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