Condoms have a high failure rate. That's a fact. not a lie. It's not a lie that abortion causes mental illness. i believe it's true.
Here's another question for you to ignore and hide from: If depression after childbirth is just "natural hormonal fluctuations", then what is a woman who isn't depressed after childbirth ? ...abnormal?
Consent to sex is consent to pregnancy (a responsibility) in the same way that consent to sex is consent to paying child support (responsibility.)
You don't know !!!! What! After such "knowledgeable " comments on women and pregnancy and how they feel??? All of a sudden you don't know !!!!????
Ahhh we debate in common English around and proper defitions of words are not disallowed simply because the make your position hard swallow. I understand that leaves you with nothing but invective, seen it before. You don't get to redefine the English language over these guys. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language ba·by (bābē Share: n. pl. ba·bies 1. a. A very young child; an infant. b. An unborn child; a fetus. 4 Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins baby (ˈbeɪbɪ n, pl -bies 1. a. a newborn or recently born child; infant b. (as modifier): baby food. 2. (Anatomy) an unborn child; fetus Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary ba•by (ˈbeɪ bi) n., pl. -bies, n. 1. an infant or very young child. 2. a human fetus. I am the one protect the most vital and important of them all. You are responsible for the consequences of your actions. Actually that is still debated, whether at conception or at implantation. I happen to agree with the implantation side. Beginning of pregnancy controversy From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Controversy over the beginning of pregnancy usually occurs in the context of the abortion debate.[citation needed] Depending on where pregnancy is considered to begin, some methods of birth control or infertility treatment might be considered abortifacient. The controversy is not primarily a scientific issue since knowledge of human reproduction and development has become very refined, but rather is primarily a linguistic and definitional question.[not verified in body] The issue may also have social, medical, political and legal ramifications if one equates the "beginning of pregnancy" with the "beginning of an individual human being's life". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_pregnancy_controversy But that does not define the begin of the life of the baby. That occurs at conception.
LOL! How many times do you have to be told that just because YOU believe it's true it doesn't make it true....YOU have NO basis to form that opinion....and certainly not the age...
The issues are not unrelated. - - - Updated - - - Of course everything fugazi says is true. his username is copied from an american indie rock band.
Yep they are. Difference is Sam I actually back up my comments with a little thing called evidence, you should try it sometime. BTW the username comes from an album by a band called Marillion, nothing to do with that crap American indie rock band. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugazi_(album) Yours one must assume is some sort of inflated opinion about yourself.
It is relevant to the issue of abortion as it exist in our society and how our society uses proper English to discuss the matter. As I point out earlier, what does the ob/gyn tell the pregnant mother sitting there about the health of her baby or of her fetus? Baby. And from you post I see you once again prove the pro-abortion side cannot have civil discussions. Kiss off.
Everything I jhve posted has also been fully established and backed up with links. Tell me which of the verified definitions of 'baby' do you think we "make up"? Yeah basic biology, that is about the level pro-lifers reach, anything above that kind of blows their opinions out of the water. BTW. Still waiting for you responses to the following; Your assertion - "Fetus don't damage, the birth process does and pregnancy is a perfectly normal process for the female human body. And yes the right to life trumps the woman being inconvienced by pregancy, only if that life in her severly threatens her physical health or life does her right then trump that right. " My response - n medical terms, even a normal pregnancy is an extraordinary condition. Hormones may rise to 400 times their base levels. A woman's respiratory system drastically changes, causing a 40 percent increase in cardiac volume and a 15 percent increase in blood pressure. A new organ is grown in a woman's body, the placenta, and her entire circulatory system is rerouted in order to make her blood supply usable for the growing fetus. The fetus releases a chemical molecule called phosphocholine which is also found in the nematode worm, the purpose of this molecule is to suppress the immune system and prevent it attacking the "foreign" object. "Another role for foetal transferrin receptors on trophoblasts could be to bind maternal transferrin at the materno-foetal interface, thus frustrating maternal immunosurveillance. This is similar to a mechahism used by schistosomes in the host-parasite relation where host proteins are bound by the parasite to escape immunological recognition." - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/37515 "During implantation, fetally derived cells (trophoblast) invade the maternal endometrium and remodel the endometrial spiral arteries into low-resistance vessels that are unable to constrict. This invasion has three consequences. First, the fetus gains direct access to its mother's arterial blood. Therefore, a mother cannot reduce the nutrient content of blood reaching the placenta without reducing the nutrient supply to her own tissues. Second, the volume of blood reaching the placenta becomes largely independent of control by the local maternal vasculature. Third, the placenta is able to release hormones and other substances directly into the maternal circulation. Placental hormones, including human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and human placental lactogen (hPL), are predicted to manipulate maternal physiology for fetal benefit. " - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8115596 It would seem that the fetus causes substantial damage throughout the pregnancy and one wonders how the hell you majored in biology if you don't know these things. Furthermore pregnancy is already deemed a serious literal injury in some cases and cited as a injury in some state laws. "Nebraska, which defines serious personal injury as great bodily injury or disfigurement, extreme mental anguish or mental trauma, pregnancy, disease, or loss or impairment of a sexual or reproductive organ. Nebraskas statute can be read as stating not simply that pregnancy is like a serious personal injury, but rather that pregnancy is a serious personal injury: pregnancy is an injury. Michigans statute does the same work, defining personal injury as bodily injury, disfigurement, mental anguish, chronic pain, pregnancy, disease, or loss or impairment of a sexual or reproductive organ. In those two states alone they are not saying that pregnancy is like and injury, they are stating it IS an injury. The supreme court of California also disagrees with you on whether pregnancy is an injury - People vs Cross On Appeal - (1) Can a pregnancy without medical complications that results from unlawful but nonforcible sexual conduct with a minor support a finding of great bodily injury? Holding(s): (1) Yes, it can, and here evidence of the pregnancy was sufficient to support such a finding. Issue 1: Great bodily injury means a significant or substantial physical injury. This is a question of fact to be decided by the jury. In Sargent, the court found that the pregnancy itself that followed a rape, constituted a great bodily injury based on the severe intrusion into a womans body. In fact, none of the cases cited by the defendant suggested that medical complications or the use of force is required to support a finding of great bodily injury. Each of the cases instead acknowledges that a great bodily injury determination is to be made by the jury based on the facts as presented at trial in the context of the particular crime and the particular injuries suffered by the victim. Furthermore, Section 12022.7 does not make any such limitation. Therefore, the court rejects defendants argument here that a pregnancy without medical complications that results from nonforcible but unlawful intercourse can never support a finding of great bodily injury. Proof that a victims bodily injury is great, that is, significant or substantial within the meaning of section 12022.7, is commonly established by evidence of the severity of the victims physical injury, the resulting pain, or the medical care required to treat or repair the injury. Your assertion - Which has nothing to do with whether it is human, a human being or a person. My Response - Has a whole lot to do with it, as legally a fetus is not recognized as a 'person' until birth. Care to answer of will you just evade and ignore.
"A very young child, " Full Definition of CHILD 1 a : an unborn or recently born person http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/child Here's another Random House Webster's College Dictionary baby*ˈbeɪ bi(n.)(pl.)-bies (n.)an infant or very young child. Category: Developmental Biology a human fetus. Category: Developmental Biology And another, Yahoo online babyVariation Houghton Mifflin n.noun A very young child; an infant. An unborn child; a fetus. Let me ask you something, when one of you friends is pregnant, do you ask her how her fetus is doing or how her baby is doing? When they tell you about the kicks they are getting do they say "OH my fetus just kicked me" or "Oh my baby just kicked me'? When the doctor finishes examining the pregnant woman does he tell her "Oh your fetus is doing just fine" or "Oh your baby is doing just fine"?
I was discussing the concept of consent, not the details of whether or not those two situations are related/similar. Whether or not those two situations are related is irrelevant. another example of double standards in your debating.
Thank you. Notice your definition equates a "very young child" to an infant as opposed to a fetus. Maybe this human life cycle will clear it up for you. Do you really not understand the meaning of words depends on the context they are used? In the context of stage of development, "baby" is from birth to one year. Ask a pregnant mother of 2 how many children she has. She will answer "2." She may add that she is expecting her third (at some point in future).
and as pointed out to you as well the usage is informal, when you are discussing a subject with a person who has limited knowledge of the subject do you use the full range of correct terminology or do you "dumb" it down so they can have a better understanding, The people you are addressing in these threads have a greater understanding of the subject than that of most people and as such you should be using the correct terminology. LOL, says the person who continuously posted such gems as the following; and you have the audacity to proclaim pro-choice people don't want a civil debate .. newsflash for you, if you want a civil debate be civil yourself or be treated as you treat others. So you can "kiss off" as well.
If whether they are related or not is irrelevant why did you post that they are related? Bait and switch Sam, Bait and switch.
