When The Russian Hoax Is Exposed, Should The Democrats Be Held Accountable?

Lil Mike shot his eye out...again.

 

Once again you are asserting that the use of term “17 different agencies” must only refer to those that conducted an investigation, even after you yourself have admitted that no one in this thread tried to claim that there were investigations from 17 agencies. We’re talking about a joint statement from the USIC that was based on an investigation from the Department of Homeland Security and you know that.

 

Then the term, “17 different agencies” is meaningless because “17 different agencies” didn't do anything, in spite of your desire to use that terminology.

 

The New York Times retracted the fake news story about 17 intelligence agencies.

It was just fake news using anonymous sources.

Not surprising there are still low information people still using the 17 intelligence fake news even after the NYT retracting the fake news story,

 

The USIC is a federation of 17 different intelligence agencies, and the Director of National Intelligence carries the authority to speak on behalf of that federation. Do you deny it?

 

You’re pretty far behind in the discussion, so I’m going to refer you to the fact check update that was made this past summer.
The now former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper made a comment when speaking before Congress May 8, 2017, that some readers interpreted as going against our findings in this article.

Here’s why we disagree with that interpretation.

We wrote this article Oct. 19, 2016, responding to an Oct. 7, 2016, joint statement from Clapper’s former office, which oversees the entire intelligence community, and Homeland Security.

Clapper’s May 2017 congressional testimony, on the other hand, was about the much more comprehensive January 2017 report produced by the CIA, FBI and NSA. The process of putting that report together didn’t start until months after we published this article, in December 2016, at which point the intelligence community decided to restrict the investigation to those three agencies.

Here’s what Clapper said, according to Congressional Quarterly. ("ICA" refers to the January 2017 "intelligence community assessment.")

"Additionally, I'll briefly address four related topics that have emerged since the ICA was produced. Because of both classification and some executive privilege strictures requested by the White House, there are limits to what I can discuss. And of course my direct official knowledge of any of this stopped on 20 January when my term of office was happily over.

"As you know, the (ICA) was a coordinated product from three agencies; CIA, NSA, and the FBI not all 17 components of the intelligence community. Those three under the aegis of my former office. Following an extensive intelligence reporting about many Russian efforts to collect on and influence the outcome of the presidential election, President Obama asked us to do this in early December and have it completed before the end of his term."

The January report presented its findings by saying "we assess," with "we" meaning "an assessment by all three agencies."

The October statement, on the other hand, said "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident" in its assessment. As we noted in the article, the 17 separate agencies did not independently come to this conclusion, but as the head of the intelligence community, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence speaks on behalf of the group.

We stand by our rating uhttp://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/

 

They obviously were in agreement. None have stated otherwise. And the three intel agencies that MATTER in this regard (FBI,CIA,NSA) DID provide assessments...that were of course not challenged by any other intel agency.

So just friggin stop

 

Charges were made by Trump's own DOJ...

 

I don't deny it, but it's not relevant, since "17 different intelligence agencies" came to zero analytical conclusions. Three did, and saying that the USIC is a federation of 17 intelligence agencies means the proper terminology should be "the USIC" instead of ""17 different intelligence agencies."

But you know that of course, so you are using terminology, "17 different intelligence agencies," that is false and misleading.

 

The problem isn't low information, he knows better. It's deliberate deceit.

 

Eh...I'm the one who's right.

 

Yes ... call us when that happens ...

Next!

 

That doesnt strike you as a problem? This assessment was haphazardly thrown together over the holidays on a shot time table. They eneded up relying almost exclusively on a third party private firms assessment. As has already been reported numerous cornors where cut to get this out in time for Obama to use it to sanction Russia before he left office.

 

The USIC is 17 different intelligence agencies, that certainly is not irrelevant. No one is saying there were investigations from every agency within the USIC, but when the Director of National Intelligence speaks on behalf of the USIC, he speaks on behalf of those 17 agencies. Saying that the Director speaks on behalf of those agencies is not false, it is a fact

 

Translation

Your ears were deceiving you.

 

You keep saying that "no one is saying there were investigations from every agency within the USIC" but defending the terminology of "17 intelligence agencies." Sorry that just doesn't make sense. Why do you think using a term like 17 intelligence agencies concluded, instead of the USIC concluded? Saying "17 intelligence agencies" is a lie, and you know it is.

 

Because the USIC is literally 17 different intelligence agencies. The term “17 intelligence agencies” doesn’t mean 17 investigations, it means 17 agencies. That’s not a lie, it is a fact

 

The title of this thread has now assumed a new meaning...

(A text from Strzok to Page: "Why should we join the Russian collusion probe when we know nothing is there?")


The only collusion found is between the Clinton campaign, the DOJ, the FBI and a Russian generated hit piece

It now looks like several individual Democrats are going to be held personally accountable.... The demotions have already started, but firings and prosecutions are close at hand.

 

17 conclusions? No, that's not correct. How many conclusions were there?

 

Jesus you are really tiresome.

This has been beaten to death and you are doing nothing but tolling

 

Pure Bullshit

 

Actually, it's only 1 conclusion (from 1 investigation), and that conclusion is that Russia meddled in our elections

He's definitely pulling words out of his ass by pretending that anyone here ever said there were 17 conclusions

 

In the raw texts released by Johnson's office, Strzok wrote: "you and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely, I’d be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there’s no big there there."

Is Mueller really going to try to take down the duly elected POTUS based on a process crime around an investigation that NEVER should have happened?

An informant has now come forward which provides, "probable cause," to initiate an investigation on Mueller and his team.

This is now too big to cover up and hide.

 

Don't feed the troll. It just wastes bandwidth.

That was the assessment of the National Security Advisor in conjunction with the NSA the CIA and the FBI.

Do we need more than that?

Of course not

 

donald and his administration claimed there was no communication between his team and the Russians.

Those were lies.

Should the government turn to someone in the Republican party and file charges for false denials and obstruction in the first place?