Where is the real proof of so-called Jews ever havinfg been slaves in Egypt ?

prove what?

 

that Rabbis said what you claim they said.

 

you want me to prove how to be jewish in 5mins?

 

there are no Rabbis who say you can become Jewish in 5 minutes on the internet.

 

did you just google that or something?

lmao

 

got any evidence for your stupid claim?

of course not.

 

do ilook like a recruitment agency for gentiles?

 

prove it.

 

Not so my friend ; ignore the crap lies + pro-Israel Govt slant - here're s the facts :

": Zap -- You’re Jewish

by Hirsh Goodman


When it comes to the settlement movement,the sky is now the limit,including a crash course of 12 working days in how to transform from an Andes Indian into a settler Jew



The Ha'aretz newspaper's weekend magazine of July 19 carried a cover story about 90 Indians from villages tucked far up in the remote mountains of Peru who had been converted to Judaism in Lima in a record two weeks.

They were then flown to Israel where they were sent directly to two Israeli settlements on the West Bank, Alon Shvut and Karmei Tzur, where they will study in yeshivah and pray, at the state’s expense, for the messiah to arrive.

The 90, constituting 18 family units, remarkably, were converted by an official rabbinical delegation sent from Israel with the blessings of Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi Israel Lau.

Though they cannot speak a word of Hebrew, the 90 were given Hebrew names. Though they have never heard of Theodor Herzl, they are ardent Zionists who do not doubt for a minute that Israel is the Jewish state. And while Israeli politics are a total mystery to them, as is the debate over the future of the territories, that Judea and Samaria belong to the State of Israel is beyond question.

Why the 90 Peruvian Indians wanted to become Jewish was not made quite clear in the piece, other than a general sentiment that Abraham was the father of us all.

What is made clear is that the 3,000-strong Peruvian Jewish community told the rabbinical delegation that they could convert whomever they want, as long as the converts don’t remain in Peru.

The Jewish community, it was explained, has enough difficulties of its own without having to deal with the "socioeconomic" problems the new converts would have brought with them.

One explanation for this passion to become Jewish, though, may be that a warm mobile home in the Judean Hills was a better propsect than scratching out a living in the Andes.

Another is Sigundo Villanova, now Zerubavel Tzadkiya, a former Peruvian Indian who somehow arrived here in 1990 and moved to the radical West Bank settlement of Tapuah with his wife and six children. The children, who now have their own families, all continue to live on Tapuah, as do Zerubavel’s brother and his family. All are now firmly ultra-nationalist, messianic and determined to bring as many other Peruvian Indians over to Israel as possible.

Adding to our numbers is admirable in these troubled times, but why a serious and staid Jewish scholar like Rabbi Lau would go along with the scheme is an enigma. One can understand the folks at Alon Shvut and Karmei Tzur being happy to get their hands on anyone prepared to join them. But it is hard to believe that Israel would send out an official rabbinical delegation to convert these people to a religion they know nothing about and bring them slap into the middle of a conflict they have no part in.

To have done so is, frankly, incomprehensible and becomes all the more so when viewed in the context of the rabbinate’s attitude toward others who have tried to convert. Why, one wonders, does it take only two weeks to convert a Peruvian mountain Indian while tens of thousands of immigrants to Israel from the former Soviet Union, who have been here for a decade, serve in the army and have become the backbone of society, are put through the wringer before they are accepted as Jews?

The criteria demanded of them for conversion are so strict that most simply cannot go through the process. In consequence they have to continue going to Cyprus to get married, and are buried outside the cemetery wall, even when they die for their country. And here we have people who don’t know a mohel from a shohet who are immediately inducted into what is supposed to be a non-proselytizing religion and brought to Israel to live on the dole.

I am all for the ingathering of the exiles and I have nothing against Peruvians, Indian or otherwise. But I find it confusing when someone like Sigundo Villanova seems to get one up on someone as undeniably brilliant as Rabbi Israel Lau and on the government of Israel by circumventing the regular immigration route of the Jewish Agency.

As always, it seems that when it comes to supporting the needs of the settlement movement, at the end of the day, the sky is the limit, including a crash course of 12 working days in how to transform from an Andes Indian into a settler Jew. The main requirement is that our 90 new brethren believe that all of the Land of Israel is ours and like their leader, the now-Zerubavel Tzadkiya, dividends will come down the road when the children and grandchildren, many of them, will make places like Tapuah thrive.

Tapuah, apple in Hebrew, was once considered a rotten apple by the mainstream settler movement, a place inhabited by fanatics who adhered to the hate philosophy of the late rabbi Meir Kahane.

The community was an embarrassment to serious Land of Israel idealists who claimed they had an aspiration to coexist with the Arabs. That they should now be bending even the most sacred rules to make the spirit of Tapuah thrive is a sign of just how desperate and confused the settler movement -- and the rabbinate that is effectively supporting them -- seems to have become.

-----When a delegation of rabbis travelled to Lima to convert a group of South American Indians to Judaism, they added just one condition: come and live with us in Israel. As soon as these new Jews arrived in the country, they were bussed straight to settlements in the disputed territories.

Wednesday August 7, 2002
The Guardian first appeared in the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz.

No lies . (wink)

 

These Indians had been practicing Judaism for 15 years, ate kosher and had been circumcized. Their commitment to Judaism was without question. Unfortunately the mainstream Jewish community refused to recognize them or let them join the community. They wanted to move to Israel and they got their wish. They total around 500, which is no mass-conversion. It was an act of charity.

 

As usual , it depends on how much you can afford to pay . (wink)

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more anti-Semitism from you.

no Marlow, contrary to your bigotry, most Rabbis aren't money-hungry scoundrels.

 

Not according to Hirsh Goodman of Haaretz .

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got a link to the article?

thought not.

but I do have an article, and it proves your story to be BS

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/transcripts/2002/sep/020917.gradstein.html

Before Mordechai Perez(ph) sits down to eat his lunch of ceviche, a traditional Peruvian dish of marinated fish, he says a blessing in Hebrew. Mordechai's lunch may be traditional, but his lifestyle and the journey that brought him to the small settlement in the Judaian hills is anything but. Until two months ago, Mordechai, his wife Laia(ph) and their four children lived in Trujillo, about 800 kilometers north of the Peruvian capital, Lima. All the families in the village were originally Christian, but 15 years ago the village preacher decided that Judaism was the true spiritual path, and the entire community began living as Orthodox Jews. They began eating only kosher food imported from Lima, and kept the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.

In May, three Orthodox rabbis from Israel traveled to Peru and converted 84 people; among them, the Perez family. The conversion involved a declaration of faith, immersion in a ritual bath and a symbolic circumcision for the men, all of whom were already circumcised. All of the couples then remarried according to Jewish law. Mordechai says he was thrilled when he was finally converted.

But Rabbi Mamo insists it has nothing to do with politics. `The problem with the Russian immigrants,' he says, `is that few of them want to live an Orthodox lifestyle.' He also insists there was no political reason for sending the immigrants to the West Bank. He says, `The rabbis insisted on an Orthodox community since living among secular Israelis could present too many spiritual challenges.' He says he turned to Orthodox communities all over Israel and the West Bank, but only in the two settlements of Alon Shvut and Karmei Tzur were they willing to invest the time and money to welcome the Peruvians.

 

These people are real Jews. Their commitment is without doubt.

 

Not so :

Read this "i am frustrated with how much this conversion is costing me! :

THis guy have to give honorarium to each rabbi on the beit din.. which is usually $100/ea so NOW that comes out to a total of $550 for the Mikvah + Bet Din.. and $700 for the conversion classes.

http://community.babycenter.com/pos..._how_much_this_conversion_is_costing_me?cpg=3

Another one :

Question: Why is it so expensive to convert to Judaism?

Dear Rabbi,
I am I the process of an Orthodox conversion and I am really torn on committing because I feel that the process is so corrupt. I have been studying with a local rabbi since last year. Now that we are ready to set an appointment with the beit din, our rabbi tells us that the other rabbis require $5,000.00 to interview me. I feel this is absurd. My husband was able to negotiate down to $2,500.00, which I still feel is ridiculous. Is this normal? I have also paid for every private class that I was required to take with my local rabbi (about $30-$40 per class). Why is it so expensive?
T.S.


( $30-40 per class ? How many classes was necessary ?)

http://judaism.about.com/od/orthodoxfaqenkin/f/conv_cost.htm


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FYI - I've read of worse cases .


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oh, so you think most Rabbis ARE money-hungry scoundrels?

again, more anti-Semitism from you.

 

Nah - Just the facts -

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Conversion to Judaism in Denver

"This is the scenario -- in Denver, anyway.


$20 a week for at least 78 weeks = $1,560

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$180 mikvah fee

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however much it costs to fly a Queens rabbi out every six months = roughly $900

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if you're a guy, $75 for the circumcision

Overall? You're looking to pay probably well over $2,000 to convert to Orthodox Judaism in Denver, Colorado -- and that's before you've even considered buying new dishes (Dairy, Meat, Passover, Parve) and all your other kitchen items that can't be kashered (probably $4,000 or so) and all those tzniut (modest) clothes, moved into the Orthodox community, and so on.

Can you imagine it? Dropping $8,000 or more just to be Jewish?

http://mamaloshen.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/conversions-racket.html#.Ury-mLmYa1I


Its a Racket . LOL


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and conversion to Islam is free, but if you leave the religion they cut your head off.

 

I wouldn't call it a racket seeing as how there is a lot to it and somebody has to take the time out to teach you all this stuff and, the person wanting to convert wants to be Jewish so, somebody has to pay for the teachers.

In any case, it's a hellofa lot cheaper than attempting to alter ones own DNA to satisfy some of the antisemitic posters here who go on to no end about how one is not a Jew because their DNA is not the same as Abraham's left nut.

88 Out Marlowe!

 

Can you repeat that again in English this time plz?

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Ouch!

Thats actually quite shocking, didnt realize it cost at all never mind running into four figures.

 

do ilook like a recruitment agency for gentiles?

 

What is it you're looking for? I have been reading this thread, and really again, it is obvious you are a hate monger plain and simple.

 

Again more hate. you're a sad man! I feel sorry for you. You're examples don't pass logic tests.

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More hate!

 

Sure. The cost is warranted if one takes into consideration it's an education of sorts is required and, who the hell cares anyhow as it's just our resident anti-Semite using another angle to spam the forums.

Hope that helps.