Where is the real proof of so-called Jews ever havinfg been slaves in Egypt ?

THx for correcting me . My apologies for misunderstanding your post -

 

That is one of many. And it is actually impossible to "read Manetho", none of his actual works have survived through the centuries. However, he is sourced and quoted by a great many other historians, including Josephus (which I have read and have a copy of).

When it comes to discussing things this ancient, it simply becomes impossible to separate fact from myth. I do believe that there is enough evidence that something happened between the ancient Egyptians and the Semitic people who eventually became the Hebrews. There are simply to many cultural references from both sides to say that nothing ever happened. And there is ample archaeological evidence to the existence of the Hyksos. And even Egyptian relief carvings show them entering Egypt roughly 300-400 years prior to their expulsion..



And one thing that should be noticed in the above relief is their clothing. You can see the Egyptians portrayed in their white linen clothing, but by contrast the Hyksos are all in multi-colored cloaks.

Does that remind anybody about another story, involving somebody with a "cloak of many colors"?

Now returning to what I had been saying, I believe it is impossible to separate any kind of prehistoric "origin story" with the reality of what really happened. The Mexica were from Azitlan, and were nomads who wandered until they saw an eagle eating a snake, while sitting on a cactus growing out of a rock on an island in a lake.

Now how much of that is truth? Ultimately, it does not matter because this is the cultural identity that the Aztecs built around themselves. And their foundation was recorded in written form only around 200 years after the events happened. As opposed to the Hebrews, who did not fix their "origin stories" in written form until at least 600-800 years after the events described.

This is akin to somebody now trying to write a "historical account" of the fall of the Lighthouse of Alexandria, and another trying to write one of the Forming of the US Constitution. Compared to the common day, the Aztecs were as separated from the Federalists as a common day historian would be from the 1303 Cretan Earthquake.

And look at how fantastical some descriptions of the Lighthouse are (as well as structures of a similar age, like the Colossus of Rhodes).

 

So, no evidence any of it actually happened to share with all of us?

I am so disappointed right now with so called "History" after learning the IRCR only documents about 170, 000 killed in The Holocaust.

 

That's right Marlowe. Know why? Because Israel has always been home to the Jews, not Palestinians.

 

Another statement from an idiotic image .

The Zionist entity called "Israel " was created/established in 1948 before that it the land was PALESTINE.- and the inhabitants was PALESTINIANS .


Palestinians are the "Jews" who did not leave.

Click - read and learn :

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=287109

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Featur...lestinian-Jews

The lost Palestinian Jews #259 .

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Featur...lestinian-Jews

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The hyksos theory has been bandied about but personally, it doesnt fit right with me. The name itself given by the Aegyptians, heqa kasashet means 'rulers of foreign lands'. The Israelites didnt rule any lands at this time in history. Israel was the first and only land they ever ruled but that was much later. Hyksos was most likely a coalition of asians and europeans and the first attempted organised invasion of AEgypt by Asiatics and their allies.

 

I know Muslims believe much the same as observant Jews + some Christians do,. its a belief not historically accurate .?


While there are quite few Jew-like posters here who attempt to use Bible stories +characters to support/justify Zionist political claims.

. I have'nt as yet come across a Muslim saying -Allah promised the land to them . Muslims - have you ?


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this is getting boring Marlowe…once again you ignore my post in order to make some anti zionist rhetoric..

the point is thus… i have Muslims explaining to me how they respect the Prophet Jesus and that it is written in the Koran a book they believe is the word of God..
also Moses and few other prophets are mentioned in this book as truth in God's hand..

why would God discuss fictional characters like saving Nemo or Cinderella as some sort of fact.

 

There are many ways to interpret events back then.

You have to realize that much of human history until relatively modern times involved human migrations. And most of them were involuntary. Tribe A has a drought so pushes Tribe B to the West. Tribe B then bumps against Tribe C, which then moves even further west. Eventually you have a Newton's Cradle effect, with one group pushing out another group until they either run into a larger group and are pushed back, are crushed, absorbed, or find a place that nobody else wants.

When most people talk about the later parts of the Roman Empire, they often talk about "invasion". That is not really accurate, because the barbarians were not really invading Rome, they had been pushed West by other tribes, which often ended up following themselves as they were pushed by even more tribal groups. Until the group that started this wave of migrations, the Huns, finally reached Rome.

What we are getting through the eons sounds to me a lot like what happened to Rome. Huns push Goths who push Visigoths who push Ostragoths who push Alans who push Varangians who push Burgundians who push Franks, until after a hundred years or so you have a mass of "Foreign Rulers" piled up all along the outskirts of the Roman Empire.

All interconnected, but each their own distinct tribal groups. The more I read of the Hyksos, the more it reminds me of the late Roman Empire and their troubles with Barbarians. And much like the Romans, the Egyptians would have been largely dismissive of this group, giving them some land in exchange for service (mostly in keeping out still other barbarians), until they decided it might be eaqsiest to just try and take it themselves.

Then after loosing, getting expelled and making their way back East again. Wandering until they could beat up somebody else and take their land.

Behind almost every myth or legend, there is a grain of truth. A people does not simply make up it's own origin stories out of thin air, they are oral traditions that are passed along for hundreds and thousands of years. Until eventually it becomes almost impossible to determine what is real and what is fantasy. But if you look closely enough, there is always something that really happened.

And we see that here in the US. Betsy Ross, Boston Tea Party, Boston Massacre, Nathan Hale, Abe Lincoln, Pocahontas, even here in the US a lot of people and events are mythicized to the point that most people do not know the fact and fiction. And we live in an era of universal literacy, mass communication and mandatory education. How much worse would it be if a culture has none of this?

 

Get this I really do not give a fik what you find boring. I've met many Muslims and NONE have ever tried to force their beliefs on me , as Some Christians have , or , as I've said , . UNLIKE Zionist Jews - claimed that God /Allah - promised the land to them .

I cant speak for your God , best you go ask Him /HER.

btw - whatever I've ignored in yr posts , was coz it was crap.

tata...

 

no, Muslims just tell other Muslims not to associated with "kaffir".

 

Not in my world.

Yet the Bible tells us not to be unevenly yoked.

 

Looks like you don't know the real meaning of "Kaffir/Kufr/Kuffar .

AFAIK - according Muslims I've met - People of the Book - believers in a monotheistic God /Abrahamic God - i.e. Jews + Christians ARE NOT Kaffirs /Kufr/Kaffareen/kufar

Go Learn. or are you satisfied / and content with whatever your mind controllers tell you ?

 

haa!!!

when I was at college and was hanging out with Muslims in a lounge, this one Muslim bigot said to the other Muslims "you know, the Koran says we aren't supposed to be friends with Kuffar". Another Muslim guy said to her "shut up!!!".

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yoked= marriage

 

Yes.. yoked means marriage but it also means affiliation.

Have you ever heard the Travelers Prayer? They say it over the PA on Saudia Airlines.. It prays for the safety of Kuffir as well as Muslims to reach their destination safely. Its really beautiful.

 

now it's ignore the posts insult the poster and get your agenda across without any relevance to the quote function you use…


nice job marLOW

 

So . you've decided to pass judgement on iSLAM and all Muslims based on what you admit /CLAIM to have been one Muslim bigot , right ?

Go learn what Muslims mean when they say "Kuffar/Kaffir/Kafirun . IT doesn't include "People of the Book" - i.e. Jews and Christians.

I recommend you read :




get a used copy on Ebay

READ + LEARN instead of making a wotsits of yourself

 

Can we maybe move the back and forth religious bickering to a more appropriate location, and leave this one for the topic at hand please?

 

No Insult to any poster intended , we're not talking abt posters .

However ,pls go back to my post #82 the question you're apparently avoiding is

- - have you ever met a Muslim who claimed Allah promised the land to them ?.

 

actually, the Koran states that God's Covenant with Abraham and Isaac is valid.

 

So,, ?

WTF has that got to do with me or what I've said ?

Where there fik , does it say Allah promised the land to Jews /Christians or Muslims ?

Please -Quote the exact Sura / Chapter in the Koran

 

Question, Why does it bother you?

 

My question is - why does my post bother you ?,


Why not think of posting something informative , relating to the TOPIC of this thread instead of asking a stupid question ?

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Talk aboout something being stupid, you're whole thread is stupid. Again, so friggn what? Who cares, why do you get off making a group feel a particular way? Is that your thing? Why can't you just answer the question asked? Why, because you can't your a bigot on a message board looking for a battle. ewwwwwwwwwwww..........

Edit, btw, if your issue is that the networks run the ten commandments every year, hint, don't watch since you don't believe! Solution is really simple.

 

Koran, The Cow 2:39

O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid.
[2.41] And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear.

...O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and that I made you excel the nations.

....And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel: You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.
[2.84] And when We made a covenant with you: You shall not shed your blood and you shall not turn your people out of your cities; then you gave a promise while you witnessed.