Where Progressives are going with the statue removals

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  1. Paperview

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    See what I mean?

    Gawds almighty man.
     
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    . If Britain does not feel that monuments to George Washington are appropriate in Britain, that is entirely Britain's business, of course.

    As for attacking the United States at Fort Sumter, those who turned on the United States would have been wise not to have initiated hostilities against the United States. Shortly before they attacked the United States, the President of the United States has assured them that he had "...no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
     
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    you flatter yourself
     
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    the idea that the south thought they could defend themselves from the north just shows what morons the confederates were
     
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    Anyone that appreciates skillful military tactics finds things to admire about Lee. Myself, I mourn the loss of the horse.
     
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    I'm opposed to removing horse statues, wherever they may be.
     
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    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma.../bs-md-key-statue-painted-20170913-story.html


    Baltimore to keep, clean defaced Francis Scott Key statue


    Residents react to the vandalism of a Francis Scott Key monument in Bolton Hill. (Algerina Perna/Baltimore Sun video)

    Colin Campbell and Sean WelshContact Reporters

    The Baltimore Sun

    Mayor Catherine Pugh says she has no plans to remove the Francis Scott Key monument in Bolton Hill that was vandalized before dawn Wednesday and has directed art preservation experts to determine the cost of cleaning it.


    Exactly 203 years after the Maryland attorney wrote the poem that would later become the national anthem, the city awoke to find the words “Racist Anthem” spray-painted on the Eutaw Place monument and red paint splashed on it.


    City officials said they know of no way to prevent future vandalism, short of catching the person or people responsible. Police don’t have any suspects or surveillance footage of the incident.


    “Ultimately, it’s going to come down to them being caught and charged,” police spokesman T.J. Smith said.


    Officers make periodic checks on city property during their patrols, but the department does not plan to place the Key monument under constant police protection, Smith said.


    “We can’t ensure it’s not going to happen again,” Pugh spokesman Anthony McCarthy said. He said, however, the mayor does not plan to take it down and wants to see it restored.


    Of the vandalism, McCarthy said, “We understand the freedom of expression, but there certainly has to be a more constructive and productive way to have a conversation about history.”


    The city spent $125,000 to restore the Key monument in 1999, after the monument went neglected for years, with cracked concrete and a broken fountain, according to an article in The Baltimore Sun at the time.


    A New York-based art conservator hauled away tons of trash and rubble; cleaned and applied a protective wax coating over the bronze figures and plaques; cleaned, repaired and removed stains from white marble; cleaned and repaired the granite wall surrounding the fountain at its base; and applied gold leaf to two plaques, The Sun reported.


    The gold leaf will likely need to be removed and replaced, said Eric Holcomb, executive director of the city’s Commission for Historical and Architectural Preservation. The city will submit an insurance claim once the cost is determined, he said.


    Holcomb said he understood the vandals’ intent, but he called the incident “disheartening.”


    “It’s so counterproductive, what they’re doing,” he said. “History’s messy. It’s nuanced. It’s something to talk about, not something to erase.”


    Document: "Star-Spangled Banner" lyrics

    Key wrote “The Star-Spangled Banner” during the Battle of Baltimore as he anxiously watched the overnight bombardment of Fort McHenry by the British fleet in 1814.


    City and state officials have long viewed the anthem’s Baltimore roots as a source of pride — naming schools and the Beltway bridge spanning the Patapsco River after Key. They held a “Star-Spangled Spectacular” bicentennial celebration of the battle and the anthem in 2014.


    NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick stoked a national controversy last season over his decision not to stand for the anthem before football games in protest of the oppression of black people and other people of color in America.


    Kaepernick’s protest sparked criticism of him, but also drew scrutiny of the anthem — mostly pointed at the seldom-sung third stanza, which includes a reference to the killing of British slaves and mercenary soldiers in the battle.


    The vandals who painted the monument also spray-painted those words on sidewalk next to it: “No refuge could save/ Hireling or slave/ From terror of flight/ Or gloom of grave.”


    The vandalism comes weeks after a monument to Christopher Columbus was damaged in Northeast Baltimore. That incident occurred a week after the city removed three monuments honoring Confederate figures and one honoring former U.S. Chief Justice Roger B. Taney.


    Pugh ordered those statues removed during the night, following a deadly white supremacist rally against the planned removal of a Confederate statue in Charlottesville.


    Protesters at the University of Virginia this week covered a statue of President Thomas Jefferson, a slaveholder and founder of the university, with a black shroud, criticizing officials’ response to the violence. Charlottesville officials had previously shrouded the statues of Confederate generals Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee.


    Key had a complex record on race. A slave owner, he also donated his legal services to slaves fighting for their freedom under a 1783 law that prohibited slaveholders in other states from bringing them to Maryland, according to “What So Proudly We Hailed,” a 2014 biography by Marc Leepson.


    Key is widely believed to have helped spark Washington’s first race riot in 1835 by his overly aggressive prosecution of a young black man accused of trying to attack his white female owner. But he also stood in front of a jail door and faced down a white lynch mob that wanted to hang the suspect, Arthur Bowen.


    Holcomb drew a contrast between the Key monument — built to honor Key’s contribution to American history — and the statues built to glorify the Confederacy and its pro-slavery cause.


    “The bottom line is monuments are there to ask the viewer to remember something very specific,” he said. “If that monument is there for the person who wrote and memorialized the Battle of Baltimore, then that’s what that monument is saying. It’s not saying white supremacy is righteous and godly.”


    'Star-Spangled Banner' writer had complex record on race

    Key was aboard a British ship off Fort McHenry, trying to arrange the release of an American prisoner, during the Battle of Baltimore when he wrote what became “The Star-Spangled Banner,” which would go on to become the national anthem.


    The monument at Eutaw Place was donated to the city by Charles L. Marburg, a wealthy tobacco merchant who founded the Municipal Art Society of Baltimore. It was built for $25,000 by French sculptor Marius-Jean-Antonin Mercie and was dedicated in 1911.


    An allegorical figure of Columbia stands at the top, holding an American flag, and a barefoot sailor rows a boat at its base, in which Key is depicted presenting the finished poem to Columbia. The two gold-leaf panels show the bombardment of Fort McHenry and the guns and ramparts of the fort.


    Half of the 1999 restoration was paid for by Target Stores, the nonprofit Heritage Preservation in Washington, and the Smithsonian Institution’s National Museum of American Art. State and local funding partners matched those gifts.


    Baltimore Sun researcher Paul McCardell and reporter Mary Carole McCauley contributed to this article.
     
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    This whole business is a dnnmn good argument for eugenics. Almost everyone of any intelligence would have enough sense to not vandalize.
     
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    Fantastic ideas, and what I've been advocating for some time, including the Tubman $20 which I'd LOVE to see.

    As I've said here several times.

    Oooops! :eek:

    That profiling thing didn't work so well for you there did it? :)
     
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    Your selective outrage, and desire to honor serial rapists, slave holders and genocidal maniacs such as Jefferson, Washington, Sherman and numerous other such unsavory types is duly noted.

    Me?

    I'd love to see our shared cultural heritage honored rather than destroyed or hidden.

    But if we're going to destroy/hide SOME of our shame, let's destroy/hide ALL of it.

    Starting with the Jefferson Memorial. :)
     
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    Fantastic.

    Let's tear down the Jefferson Memorial, Washington Monument, Sherman statues and White House (built with slave labor) for starters; put the pieces in a museum where they belong. :)
     
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    As I said earlier here, I knew that Key would be a target.

    Where *progressives" are going is fascist regression into selective outrage driven by ignorance and cynical political gain.

    Tear it ALL down, or honor it, warts and all.
     
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    Once again, I called this.

    Tear it ALL down, or accept it and add your voice.

    The ignorant, fascistic, petty, small-minded and cynically self-serving - among others - want to destroy our shared cultural heritage.

    I don't want to see that happen.
     
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    The distinction is who the people were. You're just being irrational but that's kind of expected. I just say tear down the monuments of people that fought against the United States. You Confederate apologists are hilarious.
     
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    The Commies will want to replace them with Mao and Stalin.
     
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    Liberals want to do what their beloved Soviet Union failed to do - destroy America
     
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    No -- these were good slaveholders. They're OK.
     
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    Don't tempt them.

    Regarding anyone on a $20, it needs to be someone that exudes a bit of a feeling of affluence, or IMO we are going to devalue our currency. Tubman would be OK for a $1 or a $5, but for a $20 I want to see someone on there that actually was able to collect a few shekels. Obama would be more suitable.
     
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    So you're saying genocidal slave-holding serial rapists like Jefferson should be honored, but not Confederates?

    I'd like to say that rape apologists are hilarious, but they're tragic at best. :(
     
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    But of course the purity tests will disqualify them as well at some point.

    That's why we need to either tear it ALL down, or honor our shared history.

    One way is further chaos, destruction and division, the other, sanity.
     
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    Right?

    But the purity tests will catch up to them eventually as well - mark my words.

    Jefferson is already under attack, as I predicted last month.
     
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    Ha! :)
     
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    Read my post again before you post
     

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