While We Were Still Enemies, Jesus Died for Us

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    I wonder why they haven't published clear and legible images of every page in the Turkish bible? Maybe because it is a fake. I thought they had good cameras in
    Türkiye.
     
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    Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't see where we got harsh with one another. No apology necessary. :beer:
     
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    Omg people being kind and civil to each other on the interwebs. That could be the miracle right there.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL ~ Perish the thought! :-D
     
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    So. We are sentenced to death by God because Eve ate an apple (origional sin) at the behest of a talking snake. A hell therefore is created by God so we can be tortured forever because Eve ate the apple. But then to save us from himself, God incarnates as a human called Jesus, to be tortured and killed. Thereby saving us from himself. That is, if you believe in and genuflect to a supernatural Jesus with no evidence whatsoever other than faith (suspending and critical thinking or wanting empirical evidence). Makes perfect sense.
     
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    According to Christians, Moses wrote the book in the Bible which describes his own funeral.
     
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    So, let me get this straight - God №1 ( in the Holy Trinity) burdened us with sin, then sent God №3 (in the Holy Trinity, aka Jesus) with the help of God №2 (The Holy Spirit) to pay our debt (i.e. sin) to Himself (God №1), so we can be sin and debt free? What a divine boondoggle!
     
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    I like Christ, but I prefer the Gospel Of Thomas. Christ's more esoteric teachings are not in the Bible.

    But, I also like the Tao Te Ching, and other spiritual texts.
     
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    And in several different styles and much in a language not in use in his time. Moses is a mythical character as are many of the people in the early books.
     
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    LOL - Seriously? I hadn't heard that until now.

    One of the most interesting books I've read is Ali Dashti's Twenty Three Years: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Muhammed, which is a rationalist critique of the Qur'an. In it the author points out logical fallacies similar to the one you're talking about in the Bible along with a bunch of other nonsense that doesn't stand up to a minimum of scrutiny.

    It's amazing and at times downright comical how Ancient and Medieval scribes failed to think their writing through....
     
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  11. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Read Deuteronomy chapter 34 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=deuteronomy+34&version=TLB
     
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    According to Bible. org:

    An Introduction to Deuteronomy

    I. AUTHOR--MOSES: Particular internal evidence argues that Moses was the author of most of Deuteronomy. There was also an editor who concluded the book after Moses’ death

    A. Moses was the author of most of Deuteronomy:

    B. Someone beyond Moses concluded the book of Deuteronomy:

    https://bible.org/article/introduction-deuteronomy


    Obviously, this makes sense, but believing Moses wrote about his own death...lol
     
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    Lol, I would think the concept of "enemy" is not a thing god thinks about. Everything is god. What is he the enemy of? Himself? God is all that exists.
     
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    Moses parted the Red Sea so he should have been able to write details about his own death and burial after he croaked. Didn't the Jesus character pop back to life after being dead? He ate and partied with his buddies.
     
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    I'll go with B) Someone beyond Moses concluded the Book of Deuteronomy. :smile:
     
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    So, you are saying that you believe it.
     
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    I'm saying someone besides Moses concluded the book of Deuteronomy.
     
  18. Dirty Rotten Imbecile

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    Ok you are half way there. Someone else besides Moses wrote the rest of Deuteronomy too.
     
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    Have to ask the Vatican, not sure why they hid it from us, could it be they have a bias? Could the modern day Bible be a fake?

    all we know is it is the oldest bible ever found
     
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  20. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    There was no Bible of any kind as a book on this planet until the committee based in England in the 680s-early 690s produced three master illustrated copies written in Latin, each weighing about 75 pounds. One copy still exists. You couldn't produce a legitimate authentic copy of a Bible as a book written in any language before that time for all of the gold in the solar system.
     
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    true, the bible was made of many stories by people in power at the time
     
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    They do have good cameras in Turkey and the "Gospel of Barnabas" is a fake. See Post #192.

    The only question here is why you keep dishonestly insisting that the "Gospel of Barnabas" is the oldest Bible ever found when 1) we know that it is not and 2) you've been shown that it is not?
     
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    I would assume so, but then again, I have no idea who wrote the rest of Deuteronomy. That was a little bit before my time. ;-)
     
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    Ate from the tree of knowledge ... .. received Gnosis from the primordial Serpent .. Tiamat in the earliest incarnation .. but later on Ishtar/Innana/Asherah ... - Queen of heaven .. goddes of death and rebirth symbolized by the asherah pole/tree..present at all of the Temples to YHWH .. in the good old days the people also worshiping the bronze serpent as instructed by Moses.

    You see my friend ... for near all of the history of the Israelites .. talking after the exodus .. YHWH had a consort-wife .. which is why there were Asherah tree's at all his temples.

    but then came the separation .. the divorce. When the Jews got back on their feet under Persian Rule ~ 500 BC -- re-establishing their religion but with a new God ...adopting monotheism for the first time .. that God more like Ahura Mazda than YHWH...

    In this transition the feminine was lost .. a symbolic death of the Goddess . the death of Sophia - Wizdom - humanity thrust on the path to forever attempt to reunite with Wisdom :)
     

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