Whites And Asians Have With Black People MOD ALERT

Are you saying all African Americans are the underclass or are you just referring to the lowest elements of African American society in America? If you are, I can't see how you will get any other conclusion then bad by focusing your criticism on the worst parts of a society.

Dude, I warned you. Tim Weiss coined the phrase. The institutional reality is centuries old. Dumb...

You keep saying, over and over again, that African Americans are bad and getting worse, and then you say you note the progress. I don't think you see the progress at all. I don't think you can explain to me how things are getting worse. What is sounds like is that you read those statistics and got a boner. At this point, I'm pretty sure you don't have any method of explaining why Black people are worse than before.

You are poorly educated.

Slam?

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Black America is composed of the black underclass and its apologists.

I've known abourt tim weiss for years. He's well known among Asian American activists. They told me about him.

Don't focus on me. Address the thread subject.

Petty racism has been substantially reduced through changes in the attitude of white americans over the years. White guilt has caused the reduction of petty racism. Institutional racism has made the plight of black people worse. And their condition will deteriorate.

As long as black kids are warehoused in failing schools controlled by Teachers Unions the kids are doomed.

How are black kids doing in K-12? What is the rate of black men graduating from first rate colleges? How many African Americans are currently in UC Berkeley's School of Engineering? Zip last time I checked.

Whatever.

America could once afford Black dependency and failure. That's because America was on top of the world economically. Those days are over. The competition for shares of a stagnant economic pie will become much fiercer.

I see I've touched a sore spot. I've got three degrees. How many do you have?

Non, muy malo.

 

Ok sorry, I came back to change that but I didnt make it in time.

And no you were not talking to me. And I did benefit from USA dropping the Chinese exclusion act.

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Ok sorry, I came back to change that but I didnt make it in time.

And no you were not talking to me. And I did benefit from USA dropping the Chinese exclusion act.

 

Albert, I don't think you have any hope for Black people making a better life for themselves, as they are. I think you like hacking at them- those that aren't. I don't think you see decline anywhere but in your head. Or...you can tell me where you witness the decline. And in the overall community, not just the worst parts. From what I have heard, American education, in general, is on the decline. American everything seems to be on the decline. Is it Black people bringing them down?

1. His name is Tim Wise
2. He did not coin the term "white privilege". Apparently, Peggy McIntosh did.

Is that the only school you checked? How long did your Google excursion take you? Take a longer look, next time, and maybe put in a little sincere effort.

Except that in the past, it was mostly White Americans who were on welfare. Blacks were, by large, excluded from it through various prerequisites that were purposefully placed there.

You don't sound like it, and I bet none of them are in sociology, economics, politics, or common decency. But what do you have degrees in?

Me, I have none. I work on ballistic defense radars with the military. I was once in the military.

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Not a prob.

 

You're right America is on a steep glide path down. That means the standard of living for most americans will decline. It also means that the country can no longer afford a dependent class of people.

I learn something new every day.

I didn't need to google anything about UC Berkeley's School of Engineering. One of my son's graduated from UC Berkeley's School of Engineering. Walk into almost any class and you will find about forty percent of the students are citizens of the People's Republic of China. The next largest group is composed of Asian Americans. The next largest group is white Americans. There were no black students at the School of Engineering as of 2009.

That was then and this is now. External reality has no mercy.

Political Science...Law...Taxation.

 

Almost all of the black grad students a the (american) U i went to were from Africa.

I only know of one who was from the USA.

 

Perhaps. I don't see that as being anything new for Black people. You word it as if we've been giving the Black people so much money, it has unbalanced us.

Which is weird, since you said you knew all about it...

Hmmm...When did they get rid of all the other occupational areas in college?

The past has wisdom, perspective, and context. For instance, welfare was good then because it was for White people. Welfare was at its highest right during the Depression. Now, it's a grave parasite on our country. What changed?

Really? You don't express yourself that articulately. If you don't mind, what is it that you do?

 

They would be better off at lesser institutions. That way they wouldn't have to compete with kids who are geniuses.

 

Dependency is something the country can't afford. Black people need to heal themselves. External reality has no mercy.

Nice try.

Like what medicine? The hard sciences?

What happened. America got fat, dumb and happy. It is being overtaken by other peoples who are educated, skilled, and who see themselves as a people. America abandoned assimilation in favor of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism advances disunity. America no longer has a unifying principle.

I guess it's my cross to bear. You are so transparent. Haha.

Let's go back to focusing on the social pathologies and failures of African Americans. They need scrutiny and attention.

 

I am focused on African Americans. My post was addressed to them. Africans are fine.

 

huh? what are you talking about?

 

I made a mistake in my earlier post. I tried to clear it up...apparently unsuccessfully.

Africans and African Americans are very different peoples. I am not surprised that there were Africans at your university.

What I was trying to say is that African Americans generally don't have the educational background to compete at high levels. This is because of their disfunctional culture and the failure of public school teachers. Within this context it would be better for African American students to attend schools where they are capable of competing.

 

I don't think you can explain yourself, Albert. You keep saying Black people need to heal themselves. You don't seem to recognize that they are. Blacks now compared to Blacks then...there have been large improvements.

Hey, you said you knew what you were talking about, not me.

You're problem is you like to argue things out f context. Black people have to rebuild their society before they progress. Does that make sense. You keep saying the past doesn't matter. What if I took all your money, kicked you out of your home, and forced you to work in my field for ten years. A year after that, do you think you'd be able to pay for a law degree. You don't put anything into context, you keep demanding that Blacks show you progress now, and that's ridiculous. Parrot externalities all you want, but Black people have to deal with a pretty rotten hand. Yes, they have to improve. Again, they are improving. I'm sorry they don't move fast enough to your liking, and they may end up being cut off...again...if the economy takes a dive. You can't argue with facts, but as far as fault and blame go, I do not credit them with even half of their current problems. To me, I give them credit that their could even be millionaires, congressman, intellectuals, authors, musicians, artists, and teachers of public acclaim and wide-acceptance in a land they were formerly slaves in.

What are you talking about, Albert? How is modern multiculturalism a greater source of disunity than slavery and American apartheid. White Americans were split before and after the Civil War. America has always felt the impact of multiple cultures since it's conception. You do remember that the colonists came from different places in Europe, right? They came here because they couldn't get along with each other. They then came in contact with Indians and Blacks. (they got along dashingly) You, yourself, would be an example of multiculturalism, unless you are suggesting we ship you back to Asia for our own good. That is aside from there never being any American "unity" in the first place. There is always division in all societies. Point to anywhere on the map. America's unifying principles always amount to temporary distractions. Manifest Destiny? Worthy cause. Resulted in near genocide, but I guess we can ignore that.

Er...fighting Nazi's and WW2? Hmmm, yeah, but that's war and American elites were fond of Hitler and praised his achievements with social organization. I mean, in hindsight, one is pressed to find much of a moral difference between either. Ok...uh...Communism. Ah yes, the Age of Imperialism. More wars...a lot more dead foreigners. I can dig it. Today. Terrorism and spreading Democracy. Actually, it just sounds like more wars to me, but that's me.

But ultimately, a strong nation is not built on intellect, but power and the control of economy. No exceptions. China was smarter than the rest of the world, arguably since ancient times. They're civilization was always more advanced and widely acclaimed. That is until Mr. Perry sailed over and threw a few cannonballs through the windows. Then Britain pumped the brilliant civilization full of opium, and, well, there went that neighborhood. The Middle East was als neck and neck with Britain in technology, civilization, and guns. They were also more advanced in the sciences. What happened? The discovery of the New World and the inflow of massive, massive amounts of gold undermined and inflated Middle Eastern and African economies, and both of them fell into darkness till oil was discovered in the Middle East.

It never fails, Albert. Great civilizations are not the virtues of any race and no race is particularly prone to intellect. t's the economy. They who have the money and resources have the power.

I'm beginning to think you're a bit pretentious.

I think you may need to address your own pathology. African American's is far from the worst afflictions of the United States. You seem to should be able to realize that. Instead, you seem stuck on demonizing them while offering shallow explanations as to why. Only dumb people think that African American's are a boon on society. They have their problems, yes, but their overall footprint is negligible. You could have started anywhere, from the broken Democratic process, it's contradictions, the corruption of the economy and the present danger of American industry becoming more and more expatriate, but you chose to center your argument on African Americans, and how they are ruining your society.

No, I'm not impressed. Go back to school.

 

I think African American women are particularly susceptible to self-esteem problems. What do you think?

 

I have a problem with the illegitimacy rate in the black community. Taxpayers are supporting many of those children. I think there is a relationship between black illegitmacy rates, govt. altruism, and the low self esteem of black women from the underclass. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for generation after generation of social dysfunction.

 

I think there are a lot of Blacks with profound confidence problems. Education are financing are formidable barriers to poor people. I lived on the East Coast of Virginia. One of the poorest regions in the state. A lot of poor white people there as well, and they have the same kind of confidence problem. I remember doing about a month of volunteer work at the school. It was a joke. The general principle is to push them through grades, and then most of the adults end up working the Tyson chicken factories in the area.

But yeah, I that kind of lifestyle is a trap in itself. It's not easy to escape from that ind of living. You may have the ideal the working hard is rewarded, but that's only an ideal. In reality, working hard may only get you $8.50 an hour. There are a lot of factors I think you don't see that sum the many obstacles the general poor- white and black- have to face to escape their condition.

They're about 11,000,000 Black people on welfare and there are about 11,000,000 white people on welfare. While the numbers represent different proportions of the population, they are near equal as they are. There is not much more money going into the Black community than there is in the White community. If government altruism was that great, their neighborhoods wouldn't look like that. It's not them.

Similar to the British with China and the Opium problem, where do you think the drugs in America come from? Rivers of it. So much you have to be gullible to believe no one knows where it is. Indeed, the government has already been caught trafficking in drugs. How do you think this poison finds it's way into the Black communities? Now, rich and well to do people can sustain themselves. But there is an infection of drugs in American communities that is inexplicable from a logistics point of view. Follow that up with the fact that there follows a second infestation of alcohol shops and motels- almost none of which are owned by Black people, and you see the precision extortion of ghetto's as market places for drugs, alcohol, and other such things. It is the same formula used in the Middle East.
Then, of course, you have the police ready to scoop them up.

Wherever you go, the poor part of society is the source of problems...because they are poor. No one likes it, but no one really fixes it because it is another source of cash for less scrupulous entities. All around the world, there is profit from poverty and social chaos. You said you studied political science. Tell me the trail of legislation concerning black rights in the last fifty years. I'll make it easy on you. Tell me the conditions of the labor parties. The zoning laws that effectively removed blacks and concentrated them into the poorest parts of the city.

 

I'm white. Why would you want to ship me to Asia?

You don't know history. Commodore Perry's Black Ships never visited China. You are referring to the visit to Japan in 1854. Check this out:

http://www.japantoday.com/category/opinions/view/commodore-perry-the-legacy-of-american-imperialism

 

African Americans have run out of time because the US is going to become a relatively poorer country because it is so poorly educated. Only economic growth could help. That isn't in the cards when you have so many ignorant people.

 

Oh, I thought you said you were Asian or something.

You're right, sorry.

 

The future is unknowable. If economic pressure bears down on this country too much, people are capable of anything. But it won't be as clean as you think it will be. In Germany, Nazi's didn't attack just Jews, they attacked almost anyone who was not Nazi. They attacked everyone with a different political point of view then them. In America, after the Civil War, whites also attacked both Blacks and white Republicans (who were sympathetic to Blacks then) brutally. They threatened death and violence and followed through with it.

Black people are not ignorant, they don't have the access to the same resources as most whites do. The quality is also different.

 

It's good to know. I'm sure there are plenty of Liberals who marry bi-racially also.

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History is neither neither linear nor cyclical, it is random on a long term basis. On a short term basis of perhaps a generation/20 years there are elements of history that can be generally forecast through the transluscence of the mist of time if one understands trends, trajectories, possible intervening events, and through an understanding of the limited repertoire of human nature and human behavior.

When the checks stop coming to the dependent we will know the game is up.

Everything comes to an end in due course. That is true for you, me, and Uncle Sam. No violence is necessary if most powers devolve from the federal govt. to the states. Let the states decide one by one what destiny awaits its citizens.

Only fools underestimate their opponents, adversaries and enemies.

 

Leftist marriages usually end in divorce or murder-suicide don't they?