"Who Executed Ashli Babbitt?": GOP Lawmaker Grills Ex-Acting AG Over Response To January 6th

Yes. In fact I have made the same arguments multiple times when discussing someone that was unarmed but belligerent being shot by police.

My arguments are not dependent on the situation. Or party. Or liberal, leftist, conservative, right wing bent. You can read my past posts for confirmation of my arguments on this if you like. You will see that my stance has not changed one iota.

 

And if that’s the case then I’m fine with your position.

Though I do think, as I just pointed out to Gravus... even if she had heard a warning it wouldn’t have been possible for her to retreat.

 

If that federal courthouse is being used as a secure location for people the protestors are hunting, then yep I am.

 

Who knows, but I will play your game and say no. Still don't care. Had she made it through the whole mob would have followed.

She put herself there and got what she deserved in my opinion. I did not know she had a kid with her, can you link to that

 

She was pregnant.

 

But they should be. Every situation is different and it is the situation that dictates what should be done.

 

As Darth said:

Still no sympathy from me. She shouldn't have put herself in that situation to begin with. In either case, to be logical about your question here. Lets say what you say was true. No, she probably couldn't have gotten out. But the cop is a human being. And last I knew human beings can't read minds. There was no way the cop could tell if she wanted to leave or not. All he saw was angry people trying to break in.

 

Link please.

 

The video of the incident doesn't show this, and yet you wrote this as if your comment was factual. Why do you seem to want to make sure the woman was a threat?

 

I don’t really have a problem with that. However I do think that should be a consideration when saying she deserved it. It’s easy to get caught up in the heat of the moment and make a stupid decision and then realize it was stupid. Unfortunately she wasn’t in a position to extricate herself even if she wanted to.

 

Well now I can’t find it which probably means it was misreported when I originally read it. So I’ll withdraw my assertion she was pregnant as incorrect.

 

To be honest with you, I would have had even less respect for her had she been pregnant and put herself in that situation

 

When it comes to violence there really is no difference. An unarmed person not co-operating and being aggressive is all that a cop sees. They do not know know the history of person they are confronting. And even if they know that person in front of them has mental issues (being told by the dispatcher who was told by the person calling) no cop should have to risk their life to avoid shooting a person not co-operating and being aggressive. Even if they are mentally unstable. Indeed its the mentally unstable ones that are the most dangerous ones as they are unpredictable, even to themselves. Yeah, it sucks. But that just affirms my belief that we need to reform our mental health system.

 

I personally don’t disagree with your position. I cant say I agree she should have been shot because I’ve been warned several times not to make those statements.

I really have a problem with the stance that this type of action should have been taken by an officer in the capitol but not during the riots. As if the people in the capitol are somehow more important than the people protecting their homes and businesses.

And while I’m happy you don’t feel that way, you and I both know if this type of aggression was taken against any black person during the Floyd protests it would have been anarchy.

 

I agree. I feel the issue though is that the cop couldn't see who they were shooting at. Blindly firing into the crowd doesn't seem to be something anyone could support having done. And frankly that is the kind of behavior that gives cops a black eye.. And why hasn't the shooter been publicly identified yet? I have my suspicions. It looks like folks are trying to cover that part up.

 

Well after reviewing more videos just now the shooter was black so that’s probably why. However Ashli’s dumbass is trying to jump through the window they broke.

 

All the more reason to shoot an unarmed woman. Right?

 

To me the difference is during the riots nobody was breaking into buildings hunting for people wanting to do them harm. We will never know for sure who was behind that door, but there is a chance it was even the VP. These people were chanting for people, they were carrying restraints, they had built gallows outside the Capital Building.

 

If a woman was climbing through the window of your house, will you wait to see if she is armed before taking action?

 

I am not a cop.

 

But the shooter doesn’t have that information at the time. We can only judge him based upon the knowledge he had at the time.

All he knows is this person is crazy enough to jump through this window while he has his gun drawn on her. He doesn’t know if she’s completely insane and carrying weapons she’s going to draw when she gets through that window. He also only fired one shot.

I would clear him.

 

And that one shot stopped the rest of the mob cold in their tracks and nobody came near the door again.

 

He had backup in the hallway. He was not directly threatened. He shot anyway.

 

Ah, good reason to kill an unarmed woman even though there were three officers behind her.

 

Cause I can tell you if you come into my house like that I’m going to do the same thing. And if my wife and child are home and there’s a cop in the house and someone breaks in, in such a manner, I expect him to do the exact same thing as well.