They certainly don't here in the CA Bay Area where I am. They offer the morning after pill - which they identify as an abortion. And, they provide information, such as where you can get an abortion, contraceptives, and information on procreation and pregnancy. That is enough for anti-abortionists to photograph girls who go there, search out their identies, and work to harass and embarrass them on social media.
Sorry, FreshAir, once again your post seems to have little to do with either my post, or the opening post of this thread. Please try to post your comments in the right threads, if you want to bring up debates like that.
This has to win an award for one of the most ignorant out of touch with reality comments posted on this forum. Please post your belief in the Abortion section of this forum so we can debate it (i.e. laugh at your extreme ignorance, and prove how many unbelievably ignorant people there are on the pro-choice side) Sometimes I really wonder why I even bother arguing in this forum sometimes. They are ALL about abortion! If it wasn't for abortion there would be no real reason for them to exist! All you had to do was do a search in this forum to see. They are the nation's BIGGEST abortion provider. Abortion is the steak and potatoes of the services they provide. The forum rules don't allow me to to say to you what I think should be said about you. Rather than bother to double check to see if you were wrong about it, you doubled down on your claim.
I am not opposed to sex ed or contraception or "other legitimate information sources". Indeed I'm all for them. So your post is meaningless as it relates to me. And yet our legal system gets involved all the time.
kazenatsu said: ↑ Sorry, FreshAir, once again your post seems to have little to do with either my post, or the opening post of this thread. Please try to post your comments in the right threads, if you want to bring up debates like that. LOL, HE goes off topic whenever he can't address posts which is often
No, THIS is Supreme out of touch with reality : ""Time Machine Hypothetical, Take Away Right to be Born as Punishment""
Yes, I checked with Planned Parenthood here and they state that they DO NOT perform abortions. They DO term the morning after pill as abortion, and they provide that. They also provide consultation, contraception, etc.
Good. But, sex related topics are being driven out of our schools by Republicans. The legal system doesn't get involved "all the time". Women often don't even report rape. The process that exists is miserable. And, only a fraction of reports are ever prosecuted and the likelihood of success in prosecution is low.
Can't really blame the legal system if women refuse to report. And its well known that the sooner a rape is reported, the higher the chance of a conviction happening. The later...the less chance.
Women don't report in part BECAUSE of the legal system. https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/ https://thedaily.case.edu/why-rape-victims-are-so-often-left-to-solve-their-own-cases/ So, yes, the legal system absolutely IS an important part of the problem.
You do know that there is such a thing as too much empathy right? Just as there is such a thing as too little. Our legal system requires fact based evidence. That cannot be helped unless you're an advocate of punishing innocent people just to get the one guilty one. If people want to raise those conviction numbers then they are going to HAVE to start reporting those rapes right away. Not hours, days, months, years after....but right away. And yes, they're going to get scrutinized in embarrassing and perhaps even degrading ways. Especially after what they've been through. That cannot be helped. Unless of course, again, you're an advocate for punishing the innocent just to get the one guilty one. Which your first article actually seems to imply with the paragraph: I disagree that such should be taken into account as doing so would most definitely lead to innocent people being convicted just to get the one guilty one. No one denies the price rape victims pay. But that does not excuse putting innocent people in prison either. Nor, (to bring it back to the subject at hand) does it excuse allowing abortions that have nothing to do with rape. Additionally its far easier to prove that a rape actually happened than it is to convict a specific person for that rape. Assuming of course, again, its reported immediately.
And yet there are many resources to do just that; provide resources to prevent pregnancy and counseling to those feeling overwhelmed.
Exactly. The law is essentially powerless in dealing with rape. The only person who knows a rape was committed is the woman. The law is crap at figuring out these cases. Our system can't even decently take a rape report. Nor can it deal with cases where a decision is critical within a short number of weeks. This is just one of the several areas that show that laws against abortion can't be tolerated.
Its not powerless. Again, its easier to prove that a rape happened than it is to prove a specific person committed a rape. That is key when it comes to abortion. If a woman wants to abort a baby due to rape then she is going to have to come forward right after it happens, not days, weeks, months later when evidence of such has vanished. Additionally I am not against the morning after pill as it can take days for a zygote to actually form. Indeed according to science a zygote isn't formed for at least 2-3 weeks after the woman is impregnated. And it is in the zygote stage that there is a unique set of DNA. And if a woman is raped, they generally know it immediately. As such there is even less of a reason to accept the excuse of rape to deny banning abortions.
I don't know any of the recent laws passed by Republican states where there are any exceptions for rape. Besides, the courts aren't able to make a fast and accurate finding. So, it's still going to be on the woman. And, if she takes advantage of a rape exception and is not then found by court to have been raped, what happens to her? Finding DNA doesn't prove rape.
You realize that only 20% of raped females report the rape, right? I spent 9 years documenting crime scenes. Reporting a rape is anything but "easy". The woman has to spend hours in the police station, undergo an invasive pelvic exam, fill out a huge stack of documents, be prepared for multiple call-backs by the DAs office, be publicly humiliated and exposed at a public trial ... and that's if things go smoothly. It's nearly as degrading as the rape itself. And this is why the greatest number of anti-abortionists are elderly men, cause they can back-seat drive and tell everyone what they ought to do, while never, ever undergoing any of the pain or fear or humiliation themselves. Makes me sick.
Sounds like the post this place describes is a hellish nightmare for rape victims and happy playground for rapists. Isn't that the standard Democrat socialist utopia?
Yes, I know the statistics. Like I said, they need to report more. Nothing can be done otherwise. Yes, I know why they don't want to report. I understand and can empathize with thier feelings. But that does not change the facts. Either for getting at the rapists, or in regards to abortion. In any case your argument would only apply towards rape cases. It has nothing to do with abortion cases that have nothing to do with rape. Which is the vast majority of abortions.
Then argue for it. :shrug: If LEO's determine that a woman was not raped, and have hard concrete evidence that she wasn't, then fraud charges (akin to filing a false police report) for making the claim, and murder charges if she actually has an abortion. If however there is even a slight doubt, then nothing at all should happen. Essentially allow the abortion regardless of there being a court determination or not. If it is found out later that she lied, then those charges would apply. There are more indications of rape than just DNA. Indeed not all rape includes DNA evidence. (one reason why rape charges are so hard to convict).
ANOTHER righty who thinks women are NOT HARMED IN A RAPE....thet think women simply pull up their pants and walk to the nearest drugstore and everything is just fine.... The righty idea: "punish those rape victims by making THEM jump through hoops because it is all the victims fault""...
