Who is indoctrination children

LOL, respond to the more recent post please:

I guess I can only definitively speak for myself though. I want equality of opportunity, not outcomes. Republicans falsely assert we already have it, so they are the party for me to oppose. My positions are entirely logic based. I'm already doing quite well.

 

Yes you did.

Florida law REQUIRES the teaching of past racism. It's right on the FL DOE website.

I understand your claims perfectly. I can read the stitches on a fast ball, and yours wasn't that swift. You're repeating yet another Leftwing Trope of lies about FL, DeSantis, and your political opponents, we're used to it. Too many in the Left think they have to lie and smear to win, that's the deepening depths of their desperation.

 

LOL, okay let's break it down. "I don't see why" means I am confused by and don't see the logic with the following:... the following says, "they couldn't say racism has occurred."

The meaning is, therefore, that they COULD say racism has occurred in the past as far as I know.

This is a double negative, and you illustrate why I shouldn't have used it.. but ultimately, the meaning is that they can say it historically occurred.

The reason for the phrasing is I'm asking somebody to explain to me why this company thought they couldn't. As in "give me a reason" for their actions.

 

Yes we are. Its the law. We cannot talk about things which might make people feel uncomfortable, and history is full of such things and they are weeding them out.

 

Okay the law says that they CANNOT SAY somebody's "status as either
58 privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her
59 race, color, sex, or national origin."

Your ability to interpret things is suspect due to how you treated my double negative, but what does that phrase mean to you in republican english?

 

You can't claim racism where there is no racism.

Not as 'far as you know' as a matter of FL law, schools are REQUIRED to teach about past racism. As I've told you multiple times, it's right on the FL DOE website.

They didn't. They are part of a deliberate disinformation campaign.

 

Exactly. It's not.

If you want to indoctrinate innocent young people, into believing that they are either oppressors or oppressed based on innate characteristics that neither they nor their classmates have any control over, then do so, but, in FL, you'll need to provide your own funding and facilities, because Free People of Florida will no longer provide funds or facilities for the involuntary political indoctrination of children.

I expect this common sense approach to be adopted by many more states now that DeSantis has shown everyone that they need not fear these Woke Indoctrinators.

 

Propaganda games started by the publisher. Makes good headlines for liberal media and that was the intent of the gamemaker.

 

Not 100% determined, but each facet of our backgrounds affects the context of each of our lives. I am privileged to be white, male, born into a wealthy family, heterosexual. Somebody who isn't those things, has less privilege. Republicans don't get social science, I guess is what it boils down to, and they tend to lash out against things they fear and don't understand.

 

If Leftists, in FL, what to indoctrinate children into their political doctrine that some perfectly innocent children are 'oppressed' and others are 'oppressors' due to nothing either of them has ever done, or can change, but, the "evil oppressor" can become one of the virtuous 'oppressed' if they identify as the opposite sex, you're free to do so, with your own money, your own facilities, and you'll need to recruit parents to submit their children to this abuse, because, your free ride in FL is over.

Hopefully, soon, in many more states as well. ,

 

If this was a conservative at a liberal university....

 

The fact that publishers are doing this in an effort to comply with poorly written laws purposely made as vaguely as possible is the issue.

 

Yeah you don't get it. Oppressed doesn't always mean a particular person is oppressing them. It could be more a matter of circumstances. Children can learn that life isn't equally fair to everybody, and some of it is within their control, some of it is in others control, and some of it is just how it is and we keep it in mind. I definitely disagree with telling a white kid they are "an oppressor" because of their race. But to say they are privileged by being white. That's just true. It's nothing to be ashamed or proud of, it's just how it is. Everything in life is an interaction between our own actions and the context we find ourselves in. Some privileges are built into being in the majority and are inevitable, and some if it is fallout from history.

 

But race was part of the historical context of Rosa Park's actions. You can't separate her from it. That'd be like leaving out Pearl Harbor when you talk about the United States joining WWII. It's kind of relevant. Like, reeeeaaaaallllllllllyy relevant.

 

No, it's either 1. A gross misinterpretation of the law, or 2. It's intentional to create buzz in the media.

 

Fake news. I get it perfectly.

If someone wants to indoctrinate children in this crap that they are fixed either as evil oppressors or virtuous oppressed due to innate characteristics, completely out of their control and beyond their moral choice, but that an hated oppressor can change into a virtuous oppressed by declaring cross gender, well, you're free to do so, but in FL, you will need to do so with your own money, and your own facilities, and you'll need to recruit parents willing to subject their children to this vile political indoctrination, because in FL, the free ride is over. Hopefully, many more states will follow suit, now that DeSantis has shown that the Woke Indoctrinators' have a glass jaw.

 

This is a mischaracterization of what sociology, and even actual CRT, teach. Being oppressed has nothing to do with virtue or lack thereof, for example.

Being born black, and being more likely to be scrutinized by police due to the actions of other black people, is being less privileged, more oppressed, and doesn't even necessarily make cops oppressors. It also doesn't mean being a criminal or not is beyond their moral choice. But being scrutinized more by police IS beyond their choice. Florida mandates educators lie (or more likely, omit the subject, actually) because of republican stupidity. Thanks for the chart though, took me back to my undergrad days.

It's not like it's all that new though. We always got this sanitized/propaganda history and social studies in elementary school and then found out what was really going on in college. Things are kept far simpler and more positive for kids. Formerly just to inspire patriotism, but now to make them more likely to believe in republican ideals.

 

Or 3. Attempt to comply with an intentionally vague law (similar to what TN is doing at the moment)

 

Then, you should have no problem with prohibiting that.

Fake news. Your claim is completely false.

If you have to make false claims to support your point, you may want to reexamine your point.

 

And how many times do we have to explain that “equality” and “equity” are not the same thing? Bernie Sanders, of all people, got tripped up on that the other day.

“Equal opportunity” might mean having the chance to attend something other than a failing public school, but that might involve angering the teachers’ unions, and we all know you never want to do that if you are a progressive.

 

The whole story was a setup anyway so what does it matter? Are they teaching about Claudette Colvin? Rosa Parks just used Claudette's story to get attention. Why don't they teach the actual truth?

 

THAT is your response? The dictionary? So that's all you could come up with? The dictionary has no bearing here. It's WHAT we are seeking. We are seeking equal opportunity. But I guess if you didn't get that, it just means you opened a thread without thinking it through.

 

That's nonsense! If you want to test two prospects for your basketball team, one lives in the next town, the other right next to the gym, paying the bus fare for the one who lives farther away is equal opportunity, even though it's not equal treatment.

I perceive right-wingers haven't understood what the issue is.

 

For heaven's sake! My post was not intended to debate definitions. It was intended to clarify concepts!

Do you have anything to say about that?

 

And you totally ignored my point about sub-par public schools, and how students are trapped in them. I know about that from first hand experience. I had to attend a unaccredited high school, and that limited my choices for college.

But I’m a stupid right winger who “doesn’t understand what the issue is,” your words.