Who is the Beast in The Book of Revelations?

Thank you for the insight, I will look into it. I will say that there may be many different philosophies and interpretations, but there is only one truth.

 

Revelations has nothing to do with the future. Most of the images come from the OT and have been manipulated by Christianity to form their own beliefs. The Essenes used the same in their Book of Revelations, adding their own bits to it.

 

Great!

 

Chaismic or chiastic is sort of trendy these days.. The authors say that John of Patmos was probably unaware he was doing it.

 

What is predicted throughout the Bible and especially Revelation, is occurring now. Of course many have already taken place, but the behavior of man (mankind), is most certainly occurring as it is written.

 

Revelation is for the end times. Thus the future from which it was written. God sent John visions, angels, voices, and he did his best describing the things in which he had heard and seen. How is it John could use the words jets or drones? John tells us that the beast will make fire come down from the sky in the sight of men. Could this fire from the sky be jets and drones? For the "beast" is a nation/kingdom. Today one just sits behind a computer that controls a drone. Simply pushes a button and brings down fire from the sky, in the sight of men.

 

Nope. Revelation is written to the people of first century Palestine. Placing it in the future has been the work of charlatans for hundreds of years.

 

Do you realize that even the scientists for the heliocentric model, (Neil deGrasse Tyson, Stephen Hawking, Bill Nye the science lie, etc). All of them will tell you, that you cannot see the curve from an airplane. One must be at the least 120,000 ft according to Neil deGrasse Tyson. However with amateur high altitude balloons, at that height it's still flat. So when you say that you have seen the curve from an airplane, you are either lying or the shape of the window had you fooled. Personally the shape of the window I don't think is going to fool you, but I could be wrong. If you don't believe me, no worries I will provide a link that I hope will, at the least, capture your attention.


So your saying you see the curvature of the earth from an airplane?

 

Has the earthquake that's written in it taken place yet? You know, the one that will move all islands and mountains out of their places. No, that has not occurred yet. Even if John felt that what he was writing was to take place shortly, you must remember he was writing what God had told him to, and the visions that God had given him. Thus God was writing through John. That earthquake has not yet happened, thus God had written it for the future, specifically the end days. You can keep saying nope, nope, nope, all you want, it's not getting you or I anywhere.

 

yes many earthquakes have and even a tiny one seems to move mountains and islands to ancient people.

He drected his work to the people of his time not to the distant future that is fact

 

There are hundreds of earthquakes every day all over the world.

 

How does that address the question?

And on your reply, Jesus told us that in the last days we will know of earthquakes in diverse places. Now your saying there are earthquakes in diverse places all the time, and on that you are right. However it is only because of our technology today that you will "know" of earthquakes in diverse places. Back then you would not know if a earthquake in China took place, if you was in Jerusalem. Even just saying, "there will be earthquakes in diverse places". Suggesting you would know of them, how else could if be, and why else say it? So your missing the point from the beginning.

 

Revelation was written long before John of Patmos tinkered around with it. Jewish Apocalyptic literature was very popular from about 300 BC to 100 AD.

 

It addresses the question perfectly

Any of those earthquakes world wide fits the bill

 

No, he did not. The Beast is the Vatican (modern day Pharisees of Rome). Who will have power over the kingdoms, and for most powerful ones already does. This is the head wound being healed. The head wound took place in 1798, when France, General Louis Berthier entered Rome, abolished the papacy, and took captive the pope. Taking him back to France where he died. Since then the wound has been healing. Once it's fully healed it will go out, and kill Christians once again, only this time the marks will be "in" the right hand or "in" the forehead making it much easier to identify both sides. For those of faith will have the mark of God. Some say that's not true, either way it doesn't bother me. For not having a mark, is a mark in itself.

I don't claim this as fact, nor should anybody when it comes to Revelation. For the facts or "truth" will only be seen by few, for the path to heaven is narrow. The path to hell fire is enormous.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, for this was not written for John's time. Having said that, some things within Revelation were written for his time.

Revelation 6King James Version (KJV)

6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

This is all pertaining to the coming of Jesus Christ. Weather John thought that was in his time or not, God was writing through John, and God knows when the time is. The stars have not fell from heaven, thus this was not written for that time. Again, I think we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

The Beast is the Roman Emperor(s) Nero thru Domitian.

The mark of the beast was permission to buy and sell that had to be earned by worshipping and sacrificing to the Roman Emperor once a year.

 

WOW! Sure am glad He did not put you in charge of delivering the message.

Once again maybe you will get it this time, but I doubt it. Earthquakes in diverse places requires knowing of an earthquake beyond your area. This can only be done with current technology. If you was alive in Jesus time, and an earthquake took place in China, you would not know of the earthquake. Thus to have them in diverse places requires knowing of them in diverse places. I understand you don't get that. Only those with eyes (faith) will see and understand what Jesus is saying. Which is exactly why He spoke in parables.

 

No, let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come lest there come a falling away first, and the man of sin revealed, the son of perdition. The son of perdition will be revealed first. The son of perdition can only be destroyed by Jesus Christ. If Nero is the son of perdition, why is he dead?

The mark of the beast will be "in" your right hand or "in" your forehead. No man will be able to buy or sale lest they have the mark. Whoever has the mark is guaranteed hell fire, there is no getting out of it, it's to late. Which in turn will give even more anger, hatred, and evil towards Christians, for they will know that it's to late, and it will severely anger them.

 

The behaviour of man is little different to that of the ancient world. The only difference is the way we look at things and the modern capability of wiping man out altogether.
There is no difference, apart from Technology. Man still murdered, raped, committed adultery,stole. Nations still committed genocide, and even practised slavery. Homosexuality, paedophilia (as we call it) Pedestry as other nations have called it, and accepted it. There's nothing new under the sun,
There have been over 40 predictions of the world's end and the coming of Jesus since St Paul was a lad.

 

Placing Revelation thousands of years into the future is the work of con men.

Nero died or committed suicide.. and the people feared him so they feared he would return and cross the Euphrates with an army of Parthians.. to renew persecutions. Some believed that up to the 5th century AD.

 

2 Timothy 3King James Version (KJV)
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

Although I don't agree with what your saying, for today we are much more foul than back then. For many sins one would be killed for. Thus not so many sins openly. Today it's wide open, nobody cares if one sins, or what the sin is.
If your saying that this is how man has always been, then your agreeing with it.
For there are 7+ billion of them now.

 

So, that has nothing to do with the son of perdition, maybe a little to do with the beast (Rome), but that's it.

 

Where did the writer of Revelations mention jets or drones.

 

lol ridiculous as ever. No surprise coming from an astro-turfer.

 

It's certainly a body of book written by some very wise people who were either psychics or very sophisticated at projections and the paths of human politics and cultures. This is what angers sociopaths and psychopaths the most about Christianity, it's great insights in how human nature works and practical advice on how a society should progress for the best results as opposed to mindless self-indulgence, pagan brutalism, and cultural stagnation.