"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

single payer healthcare systems are a fraction of the cost of what we currently pay. We would be saving money, not spending more.

 

Speak for yourself. We all know who would be paying for medicare for all and it is not the wealthy.

 

Money, a tool of exchange, doesn’t need government approval, certification, or regulation. Quite the opposite, Money requires the government keeps its gun pointed at its crooks, not its wealth creators, the capitalists.

Still, all that verbiage is uneccsseary; you don’t like banks, don’t use them. Easy. Yes?

 

why? it applies to everyone.

EVERYONE would be, just like EVERYONE is now.

 

And carry a bag of coins around ? Laughable. How about we just barter and trade our farm goods for clothing and gasoline.
You have a lot of suggestions on getting rid of govt, but you can’t come up with one thing to replace it with....

 

Speaking of myself.. I am currently paying for your Medicare (or whatever insurance you have got from the government) and on top of that I have to pay for my own private insurance.

 

It’s not name calling, it’s looking at a suggestions that mimics the 1800s . You make these pie in the sky statements with no concern for what you replace givt with...capitalism, that’s funny. We had capitalism before govts. Without regulation, They drive slavery, pollution and dangerous products.

 

That’s your Medicare too when you reach 65. Do you actually think any private insurance company will touch you at age 65. That’s funny. Without Obamacare, they could drop you like a bad habit if you have any long term illness .

 

Of course not. It will be inflicted on those who earn primarily w2 income. And all these little cretins who pretend to be concerned about cost savings and efficiency, are really just concerned about people who earn more than them subsidizing their healthcare through a tax based funding system. Thst is their goal. All the bullshit about saving money is fluff

 

My point is that majority of people who are against "Medicare for all" already have Medicare or other government coverage.

 

Why should I pay for your Medicare (or your government insurance)?

 

And all the BS about denying that it saves money which it does in every country that has it, is really about sharing waiting rooms with minorities.

 

Exactly.
I don’t think Trump supporters get, he’s trying to cut benefits in Medicare A and SS even while they are in the Black. That means that payroll tax greater surplus goes into the general fund. We are already inching up on a Trillion dollar defense budget, of which he will continue to raid to pay for his ridiculous wall. Supporters don’t get that he is literally using social program surpluses as campaign funds.

 

Awe shucks. Someone wants him some freebies.
But hey, since we're all gonna save some money, are you advocating that you pay the same as the guy who makes 10X your income?

 

Government is a neccessary good. It is needed to protect the rights of man, not violate them. There is no economic or moral principle that justifies its control of the money supply. Indeed, there is one that prohibits it, the principle of individual rights.

 

Hmm

Statements like this strongly suggest you are driven far more by hate and evny than logic and reason.

It was the capitalistic and industrial North that destroyed the feudal agrarian slave states of the South. Furthermore, slavery existed long before capitalism, i.e., free trade, came into existence. What ended slavery was the Enlightenment ideas of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happineess.” What ended slavery was “the “man with the wallet” defeating the with “whip”.

 

Being historically accurate is not hate speech....to say so is to sound like a reactive drama queen.
To say capitalism existed without slavery is wrong. Private enterprise, unfettered by Govt. Intervention was the driver of slavery. Here, it was the south’s answer to the industrialized north. Know your history. It was PRIVATE plantation owners who engaged in slavery to maximize profit. The slave traders were all private business ventures to meet the demands of private plantation owners who needed cheep labor to maximize profits.
Later, it was PRIVATE enterprise that has engaged in most of the pollution of air lakes and streams, all for the profit seeking motivation.
Platitudes are not facts.

 

I just got a giant tax refund thanks to President Trump, so I'll pay for all you guys' medicare. I can afford it.

Unless you're an illegal alien.

 

I have mentioned the hypocracy of the righties who want social services for themselves but not for the majority as n extension a form of bigotry. Not one of the right denies it.

 

Btw, aren’t you paying less tax then anyone making more...freeloader.
If everyone paid a set fee for healthcare, you couldn’t afford those $50k heart surgeries. The idea of paying a set fee for services completely eliminates everyone except the very wealthy. Are you very wealthy ?

 

why do you think strawmen are a valid argument?

 

you

your tax refund was greater under Obama. Trump cut your tax rates so your refund went down.

 

Because Russia.

 

No, it didn't. I'm a 5 percenter, so I make quarterly estimated payments, and the tax cut reduced what I believed would be my final tax bill.

But I think the tax cut was probably imprudent. I did fine under Obama, and I'm more worried about the national debt than I am about global warming, and even Russia.

 

Maybe you don’t get it. Global warming has an ever increasing effect on our national debt. Growing green industries has created a labor market that exceeds fossil fuels. That’s good fi4 lowering the debt. Dealing with increased costs of cleanups after climate change influenced disasters and the pollution of using fossil fuels, is like passing money down a toilet. It also forces the expansion if givt dealing with terrorism and immigration caused by population displacement. That raises the debt.

It’s really uninformed to think climate change is not a huge economy driver....