Why did anyone think "defunding" the police was a good idea?

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You're spreading misinformation about Presidential power. Why?

The police don't have the authority to turn the President down.

 

Not true.

 

I included the entire sequence of replies so anyone interested can easily see you're nitpicking and misrepresenting my position. I could only guess what motivates you. Is it my pointing out blacks, Latinos, liberals and Democrats actually oppose defunding the police? Does my survey deprive you of groups you can villainize? Does it show we all want to blunt the increase of criminal behavior and that doesn't fit your political narrative?

Consider...

"Politicians, pundits and police leaders across the country are repeating the accusation as they address concerns about crime heading toward Election Day.

Yet in many communities, defunding never happened.

ABC Owned Television Stations examined the budgets of more than 100 cities and counties and found that 83% are spending at least 2% more on police in 2022 than in 2019."​

https://abcnews.go.com/US/defunding-claims-police-funding-increased-us-cities/story?id=91511971

 

Its fact. Our Constitution restricts the use of Military in Domestic law enforcement.

 

I outlined how the President can go through the Secretary of Defense to use the DC National Guard and the DC Mayor to use the DC Metro Police. We've put some brakes on the President with laws that could be challenged and might well not be an effective way of limiting Presidential power.

You seem inclined to let Trump off the hook for doing nothing, not even using the bully pulpit beyond his 1/6 speech to the crowd.

 

I think people on both sides are not helping the situation by referring to it as "defunding the police". Even though several progressives started talking this nonsense, in reality, very few police departments around the country were actually defunded. This, in my opinion takes your eyes off the real football, which is other lefty policies, which gives the lefties a chance to say the huge majority of police departments were NOT defunded and yet crime still went up. The real problem is other lefty policies which make police out to be the bad guys, handcuffing them in their jobs, and letting just about everyone loose through the revolving door, sometimes with no bail being needed at all. These lefty policies have led to massive resignations and severe trouble in recruitment, which has left many departments understaffed, which leads to more crime. So, technically, defunding the police isn't the actual problem.

 

Portland, Minneapolis, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Austin and a dozen more major cities all cut the budgets of Police in response to 2020 riots.

 

Some Dems Simply Identify More Closely with Felons than They Do With Law Abiding Citizen Police: Protect And Serve.

'Police Officer Pays For Woman's Gas After Card Gets Declined At Pump. A police officer in Georgia went above and beyond the call of duty to help a woman who needed to get to work.'

It tough on working folks as Biden/Dems crush the middle class.

 

Trump wanted an extra 16000 troops on January 6th. Pelosi and DC Mayor did not want them there. Trump told everyone to peacefully march to the Capitol to let your voices be heard. They caused a 4 hour delay to what they now allege is but a ceremonial procedure in Congress and some windows were broken. No I dont blame Trump for what he didnt do soon enough for you. We watched democrat politicians for months in 2020 encouraging mayhem in the streets that continued for months. January 6th. a three hour delay of democracy that was never a threat to democracy. Government's reaction to Jan 6 is the only threat to democracy here.

 

Posse Comitatus is legislation, not part of the Constitution.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/posse-comitatus-act-explained

You might look up the Insurrection Act, too.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/insurrection-act-explained

 

LOL.. ya... sure..... that's it.. really... a new lie forms from the ashes.... "demilitarizing the police". So we shouldn't send the FBI swat team to arrest folks in their PJs anymore? Is that what you're saying?

 

Politics. Pelosi knows the President acts through the DoD or DC Mayor and can't do exactly as he pleases.

He reminds me of leftwing activists who say the same thing and use it as a defense when their protests end up in violence.

A hell of a lot more than a few windows were broken.

IMO, you're like the BLM types who held a lot of peaceful protests but act like they had nothing to do with the situation in large cities where violent types are omnipresent, waiting for a chance to cause trouble.

Geez, I hope the great middle in this country reject your extreme approach, right along with rejecting the same stuff from the other side.

 

Felon-Friendly Left

D.C. Council votes to lower criminal penalties on carjacking, gun possession, burglary

'Washington DC council voted unanimously to 'lower sentences for burglaries, carjackings, and robberies....reduce penalties for illegal gun possession, including for carrying a pistol without license and for being a felon in possession of a firearm.''

These illegally armed openly operating criminal gangs appear to have bought off the city council.

Also against the lawfully armed law-abiding.

 

nah, republicans only believe that if it's Trump or their fellow Republicans caught doing bad things

 

The defund the police people I talked to did not want the police to be defunded to the point of nonexistence. Like others have said it was more about reallocating a portion of the funds to social services as police are not guidance councilors. With that said I did come across a couple people that literally want to disband the police, but they struck me as anarchists that had a naive vision as to what anarchy really is.

 

Why respond at all if this is all the effort your'e willing to put into your response? The lameness of this..

 

So, I think you sort of hit the issue. The real issue is the "reallocation" to fund more government welfare for their social studies and psychology major degreed faithful. Police unions were too independent and not a reliable enough source of campaign contributions... soooo..... defund them. Hire the unemployable with stupid degrees and build the dependent faithful.... and make them join the unions so the campaign contributions flow in...

Democrats aren't interested in stemming the tide of crime. They are interested in profiting from it.

 

As always, debunking your wildly misguided, unsupported assertions is like shooting ducks in a barrel.

The election is nearly three months away, and the private prison industry has already shelled out more on the campaign than in any other year. Private prison PACs, employees, and their families have given more than $1.9 million to candidates and parties so far, according to the Center for Responsive Politics—14 percent more than they spent in 2016. About 92 percent of those donations went to Republicans, also a record.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/private-prison-companies-elections/

Dear Speaker Pelosi, Leader McCarthy, Chairman Nadler, and Ranking Member Jordan:

During the State of the Union address, President Biden stood before Congress and said, “We should all agree: The answer is not to defund the police. It's to fund the police. Fund them. Fund them. Fund them with resources and training.” We strongly support the President’s words and leadership and applaud the more than 10% increase in funding for State and local law enforcement in the Fiscal Year 2022 appropriations bill. We write to request that the House bring legislation to the floor in the coming months to infuse our local police departments and their personnel with new resources to ensure our communities and officers are safe and secure and invest in our officers. As national crime rates increase, including homicides, car jackings, and assaults, now is the time to support local law enforcement through passage of bipartisan, bicameral commonsense legislation. Cutting to the bone only weakens any profession; it pushes good people out, diminishes overall quality, and fuels a race to the bottom. That’s especially true in law enforcement. The only way to make a department better is to invest wisely in de-escalation and domestic violence training and essential tools, in recruiting and retaining the best talent, and to ensure they can be involved in their community. We need to ensure our officers and police departments have all the tools they need to fight crime and protect themselves and our families.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...ing-invest-to-protect-to-the-floor-final-5622

 

You should know by now that the citation of these known lying politicians isn't going to "debunk" anything. And clearly, you aren't watching what is happening around the nation. But you don't care, because by claiming that you are "debunking" valid conversation and concerns, your attempt to stifle the information getting out by producing massive cut and paste wall of text isn't working.

The funny part is your unwillingness to actually engage on the "solutions" the defunding folks have offered, which was the point of my post. Explain how, or why it's just the funding that matters to the lefty politicians these days. It certainly isn't public safety. Have you been to Chicago? It's a mess. And as long as that "defunding" mantra doesn't impact her own personal family protection detail, she doesn't care. So what do you care about? More money for political campaigns grafted from the dependent unemployables who work in support of defund the police? It's hard to know.

 

Cities vowed in 2020 to cut police funding — but budgets expanded in 2021
Some local politicians said they would cut funds allocated to policing to boost social services. But a year later, those budgets have been restored or are even bigger.

2020 appeared to be a year of racial reckoning in the United States. The fight against systemic racism reverberated throughout the country with protests, boycotts and calls to “defund the police.” But, a year after slashing police budgets in response to the growing defund movement, many cities have restored the funding — seeming to confirm activists’ suspicions that city leaders weren’t serious about the change in the first place.

At least a dozen cities cut their police funding or decreased officer numbers during last summer’s protests against police violence following the killing of George Floyd in May 2020. But one by one, city governments began to bolster their police budgets in 2021, with an additional $200 million allocated to the New York City Police Department and the Los Angeles Police Department seeing a 3 percent increase in the year after the city council approved a $150 million cut.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk...police-funding-budgets-expanded-2021-rcna9864

IOW, the Repub candidates around the country who claimed Dems were responsible for increased crime were spewing demonstrable lies.

 

I couldn't have hoped for you to write anything more embarrassing for yourself in light of post # 396.

 

Yeah... because actually having read the response that kneecaps your "debunking" bs isn't something you're actually willing to admit.

Its like your plugging your ears here, dancing around screaming "la la la la la"....

 

They don't. They want to defund local police to create the chaos necessary to justify federalizing the police, because local police by-and-large arent going to enforce the full progressive agenda.

 

There's a difference between what you do........make an unsubstantiated claim..........and what I do..........substantiate my claim in direct refutation to yours. You debunked nothing in offering an opinion.