Why do abortionists feel like sexual intercourse is a fundamental right?

Liberal Abortionists say the woman should have the right to kill the innocent vulnerable little baby inside herself, if she so chooses.
Yet most of these same Liberals say that a man shouldn't have the right to shoot a threatening scary criminal that has broken into his own house and refuses to leave.

 

Liberated women terrify you so much, I first wonder if you actually met one before. Then I think that you probably did, and and got a knee in your groin.

 

Nah, the same logic would apply to men born with a uterus, who somehow manage to get pregnant - not a sex issue, a human life issue

 

But the random stranger has a birth certificate and is therefore a member of society. If you shot at where he might be then that is a closer analogy. Also you do not take into account threat to your body - if that stranger was trying to kill you then you do have a right to kill them.

 

Well if a pill would get him to leave then good for it - but the same issue arises the man, criminal or not, has a birth certificate and is an accepted (if not acceptable) member of society. One has yet to be the other is already being.

I could also reverse this that you would go to extraordinary lengths to "save" what might never be (59-70% failure rate between fertilisation and first week 20% miscarriage rate in the first few months) but would blow away anyone you think is even a mild threat including the 15 year old kid who snuck into your house in the middle of the night on a dare;

 

Children of illegal aliens don't have birth certificates.

No one argues that abortion shouldn't be legal if the mother will die, so that's a moot point.

 

Then to society they are "invisible" and if they were killed and the bodies sequestered - what would be the impact on society? If the body IS found - because it is older than (insert time frame of local statute) it would be issued with a birth certificate. This has happened in the cases such as when they find dead babies. However, as I have previously pointed out, there is a cut off period under which NO birth certificate will ever be issued - look up your local statute

 

Adult illegal aliens will never be issued a birth certificate, even if the body is found.

 

Are you sure?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1996064,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doe

Even if a birth certificate is not issued then a death certificate will be - that does not happen below a certain gestational age (which varies from state to state) Records of birth and death are the markers with which we track our members of society or "persons"

Get back to me when you find one locale that will issue a birth/death certificate for a 3 week old foetus

 

Pass a law that says they have to, problem solved.

Name anyone who'd issue a death certificate for a black plantation worker either.

 

Really? So when would the birth certificate be issued - at 5 months? 3 months? 3 weeks? 1 week? conception? Pre=conception?

REmember this is a BIRTH certificate not a "might be a person might not develop into anything" certificate

 

Not so much gish gallop as random stagger, here...

 

Not sure - maybe if they threw the illegal aliens into a medical waste disposal bin, they could just forget that they ever even existed.
Yep, the mistreatment of illegal aliens sure is an "invissible" problem. But not as invissible as what what millions of fetuses face every year

 

No they have status because they are older than the minimum required to be given a birth certificate - sorry but that analogy will not wash

Foetuses under a certain age do not get birth certificates - that does not mean that illegal aliens are in the same category because as far as society is concerned they have a status - that of illegal alien

 

"Status" ? That does not sound very egalitarian. You're not an ageist, are you?

What does a birth certificate have to do with the right to life?

 

If a woman miscarries prior to (insert time frame here - usually 20 weeks) no birth certificate is issued - no funeral is mandated and in some jurisdictions no a funeral is not even allowed under a certain age. If you are claiming that foetus under 20 weeks is a "person" why is a birth certificate not issued?

 

REmember this is a BIRTH certificate not a "might be a person might not develop into anything" certificate[/QUOTE]

A child within the womb is not a potential preson, a child within the womb is a person with potential.

 

there are many many more natural abortions a year then medically induced abortions.... they are exactly the same thing, the end of the creation of a potential person

 

I would say the end of a person, not a potential person. Also the difference is one is a deliberate act of killing, the other is nature taking it's course.

 

That is my point - they are only POTENTIALLY a person and do do not have the same "rights". You cannot prove they are a "person" and until the state starts issuing "potential birth certificates" post intercourse you will never be able to prove it

 

sperm, eggs, all have the potential to become a person, heck every cell in your body has that potential, but most will never become a person even though that had that potential


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