Why do abortionists feel like sexual intercourse is a fundamental right?

Abortionsts' argument against avoiding sexual intercourse if you're concerned about birth control is along the lines of it's absurd to demand that people avoid sexual intercourse, which is stupid. Every time I had a date and was concerned about pregnancy, I just avoided actually sticking it in when I got off, and that was 100% effective. lol

Why do abortionists and liberals feel the need to apologize for other people's lack of personal responsibility?

 

Statistical facts.

If me and you both make the correct decision, but 20% of 300,000,000 people don't, then there is a problem of massive scope, that saying, "Well I made the right decision, why can't everyone else". doesn't address.

Are you correct in saying it is unjust that we have to adjust our society due to the ignorance of others? Yes

Is the other person correct that says, "The true injustice is letting this problem spin out of control, so we all have to pay a price for those people's ignorance, especially when we know that a certain % will time and again make this mistake"? Yes!

 

What does not involuntarily harm other persons is a right. Sexual intercourse and abortion both do not harm any other persons, hence they are rights.

 

And people wonder why I say these issues serve no purpose but to divide people.

The definition of misdirection as a technique.

The Op asks a real question without loaded language.

I respond with my rational.

Then comes someone who is either programmed for conflict through culture on these boards, or paid to create conflict with a statement that serves no purpose but to divide and inflame!

 

Why do fascists and conservatives feel a need to tell a woman they know what is best for her body?

 

What do you care if people's definition of responsibility is different from yours? Abortion is a perfectly responsible choice for some people.

 

Oh dear, quite the Aunt Sally this post.

I don't feel the need to apologise for any other person's lack of personal responsibility, they can do it well enough themselves. The ones who will do it extremely well are sociopaths, they'll apologise and actually make you believe they're apologising. Neat trick that.

Avoiding sexual intercourse so as not to fall pregnant is guaranteed and it's definitely an option that females should be told about. Maybe males should be told about it too. As you've pointed out, there are other ways of achieving some sort of sexual satisfaction (albeit a pale imitation) which lessen the chance of pregnancy. But we do have contraceptives now, both the type that males use (condoms) and the ones that females can use to lessen the chances of pregnancy.

It's all about risk management isn't it?

But, assuming you're able to have normal sexual intercourse now, don't you think it's more physically and emotionally satisfying?

 

No loaded language? LOL! He could be hunting bear!

 

Fascists because they're basically control freaks. Conservatives, because they're worried she might be having fun (tongue in cheek that last one....)

 

Is it a "responsible" choice or just a choice that is available? I'm not attacking your point, just querying whether the language is accurate.

If abortion is legal and the circumstances under which a woman requests an abortion are medically and legally within the accepted medical and legal bounds, then it's a legally and medically feasible choice.

She simply has to choose to avail herself of it. She has to apologise to no-one.

She doesn't have to pass a morality test by Christian Jihadists (well not at the moment anyway), she simply has to put a request forward and it will be considered.

If it's not legally and medically acceptable then she doesn't get to choose a lawful abortion. She can still try and terminate some other way though, but that is possibly criminal and - by definition (sorry to have to rely on this, it's lazy thinking but it's the state of affairs) - it's not "responsible".

Don't let the opponents lure you with the language they use, it's just a rhetorical trick. Meet them head on, not sideways, hit them with a solid argument and don't let them get away with mealy-mouthed language. You won't convince them but someone reading and not commenting might take the point.

A case in point is the use of the word "responsible". When you analyse it, it's rubbish and should be treated as such. Give no quarter, because they sure as hell won't.

And be careful of their strawmen, they play merry hell with hayfever if you're susceptible.

 

Have you ever had sex?

 

I find it funny when people talk about personal responsibility when discussing abortion. They are taking responsibility now they are making a choice either to end the pregnancy or continue with it. It should be no ones business except between her and her doctor. Most abortions are done in the time they are allowed (with the exception of when the mothers life is in danger or whether the child will be still-born anyway).

 

Pale imitation? How's that - just pull out right before you blow your load. 100% effective.

 

More times than I can count. And unlike the morons letting their checks be eaten up by child suppport payments just cause they're too lazy to use a condom, I always took every necessary measure to prevent an unintended pregnancy.

 

Same reason that those left-wing facists feel the need to tell a white slave owner what is best for his property (the black slave). Lol

 

Slave ownership is a perfectly responsible choice for some white plantation owners.

 

wtf does this even remotely have to do with abortion if I may ask? I continue to see lifers beating the guts out of this dead horse and I am still lost on how it is relative to abortion. Are plantation owners pregnant with slaves or something? Who's internal organs are being used to sustain the other's life in this situation?

 

Firstly - "abortionist" is someone who performs abortions not merely someone who does not want legislation outlawing abortions

Secondly, well I am not sure WHAT your second point is - I am torn between whether you are advocating abstinence or bragging about not having sex

 

Have you ever had sex? What's so 'fun' about blowing your load in her w/o a condom? A lot of times women don't even orgasm just from intercourse - you can make a woman orgasm with your mouth or your hand if you know what you're doing.

Just shows how clueless liberals are about sex (just like everything else). lol

 

I'm advocating pulling out, or simply not sticking it in to begin with, if you don't have proper protection on hand, or are paranoid about the protection not working.

Libs just don't believe in concepts of common sense and responsibility, they think they're entitled to make stupid decisions at other people's expense. That's why they're so hung up on "abstinence" even when no one's talkin about it.

The most enjoyable sex isn't simple intercourse anyway. That's the most boring kind of sex there is.

 

The plantation owner's internal organs are being used, because their organs are used in the process of feeding and providing shelter for the slaves. The slaves's life is dependent on the plantation owner, therefore the plantation owner has a right to have his slaves shot if he no longer wishes to use his own body to provide for them - liberal fascists just don't want plantation owners having fun, and want to dictate to them what they can do with their own property.

 

Yeah, been there of course, but it takes willpower and frankly it also means that the whole shared situation becomes totally focused on oneself. We're too busy trying not to ejaculate at the wrong time and only thinking about ourselves while ignoring our partner. That's why I referred to it as a "pale imitation", it's just one step above masturbation and a long way short of shared fulfillment.

 

Second strawman in as many pages

Think that might be a record even for THIS board

 

Now come on, you're not serious....

 

Thank you Bowerbird. You pointing out this constant BS fallacy for what it is was very necessary.