Why do Americans value the ability to own a gun so much?

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  1. Kranes56

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    Simply arguing theory. You're jumping to conclusions about what I actually think without knowing what I think for sure.

    I have no idea why you're bringing up African Americans, but tell me this, why make 100 cars when a person will only drive one?
     
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    Why do people want to violate their neighbor's ability to own firearms so much?
     
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    Some people enjoy hurting others, and if a person can protect themselves, then that person can't be hurt.

    Such is the nature of control freaks. they can not control you if you have a means to defend yourself.
     
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    But..... YOU said there were racist laws. Actually, the words you used were "Racist legislation".


    Because this is America and people like variety? I like the fact that the auto manufacturers make 100's for me to chose from. And I personally own 4 vehicles and am probably going to get a 5th this summer. See - the cool thing about working hard is you have the money to play hard. I don't think my hard work should be stolen from me and redistributed to welfare queens. USA spends $350 billion a year on entitlements. That's sick; and it needs to stop.
     
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    Geez... you are arguing about increasing the costs of items... at some point people are not going to be able to afford them... and by making guns more expensive, that is what will happen except that boats don't happen to be in the bill of rights like guns are.

    Just pointing out another of your fallacies.



    Right, guns cost too much to commit crime so that is all that is needed for crriminals to go straight.... :roflol:
     
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    There has been an extremely successful pro-gun advertisement program running in America - to the point where your armaments industry is almost reliant on your home market

    But you have framed your question wrong - it should be "why doesn't everyone else want gun the same "gun freedoms" Americans want"
     
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    Not to hijack the thinking here with facts or anything; but 75 countries have 10 or more privately owned firearms per 100 citizens.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

    And not that I am complaining, but yeah - I'm complaining. Canada can get Norinco M14's but Nobama won't let us buy those from China. So instead of a USGI M14 that is drop forged for $400; we have to buy crappy casted M1A's from Springfield Armory that are a tenth the quality of the Norinco and cost like $1,500. Nobama is an anti-Chinese racist! Friggin nazi goose stepping negro.

    http://www.huntinggearguy.com/rifle-reviews/norinco-m14s-review/
     
  8. Kranes56

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    I said "what if". Asking you to assume a premise is true doesn't mean the premise is actually true. Think of it like this, I was asking you to acknowledge the logic was right, before I asked you if the facts were right.


    So you're going to buy 5 cars while there are 95 rusting away? How wasteful. Why do you need so much when you're only going to drive one at a time? What's the point of it?

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    Cost doesn't mean money, it means the factors of making a decision. While money is a factor, it is not the only one.

    You forgot to explain why it's a fallacy.

    Who said anything about going straight?
     
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    Then you should consider taking those days you have been warned a hurricane is coming to relocate your family to a place where there is no hurricane coming if you are worried about protecting your family?
     
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    I wouldn't feel safe in a refugee camp.
     
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    Maaaaate - the same thing over here is going to cost you 5-10 times that amount AND you would have to source it from the black market AND if the cops catch you with it they will owneth your arse
     
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    This puzzles me

    We get cyclones not hurricanes but we have been hit with some bloody massive ones and we do NOT feel the need to go gun toting. Yes there is some looting but if the looters are caught they are more likely to be taken out the back of somewhere by civilians and given a thumping before being handed over to police - that is IF they are lucky. I think we might have a higher expectation of community care and assistance
     
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    That's the beauty of America. It's my money and my cars. I can have as much or as little as I want. I don't have to give it to some black guy just because he doesn't have what I have. If you want to go give everything you have to some lazy loser then have at it. Just don't give away stuff you don't own.
     
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    Right now there are 208 countries (if you count Monaco, LOL). 110 have higher intentional homicide rates than USA. We'd be even lower if 14% of our population wasn't black. They commmit 54% of the violent crimes in USA. So if tomorrow morning we shipped them to Australia, we'd have lower crime than you folks do. We'd also have a healthier economy, since 65% of them are on or have been on entitlement programs. And they contribute less to GDP than American Indians; which is saying a lot.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
     
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    Excuses - 14th out of how many countries in the world?? And how many of those countries are active war zones?? As for African American people - they are still AMERICAN and deserve better than to be classified and dismissed in this way
     
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    Even if it starts to hurt other people? Your unfettered greed doesn't come without a cost, what happens when that cost starts to hurt other people?
     
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    So to be clear; you are suggesting that an American should only have a certain amount of money, a certain amount of cars, a certain amount of motorcycles, a certain amount of bedrooms, and a certain amount of food. Anything else is what you personally label as "excess" and deprives others because after that certain amount you feel it is the obligation of every American to give the extra stuff to someone who has less? You should move to a communist country where your Karl Marx view of the world is played out in real life. I'm done with your annoying and pro-welfare views. Off to the ignore file you go. Have a wonderful rest of your Komrade life.
     
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    110th, not 14th. Learn to read. It's fundamental. If you cannot click on a Wiki link and count to 110, you are doing it wrong.

    "African Americans" as you call them have NEVER been to Africa, and many (if not most) can't find Africa on a globe. They are the most criminal race in America, by an order of magnitude. They are the most entitlement dependent race in America and in the world. They are the lowest IQ race in America, and come from countries that have the lowest IQ on the planet. They have the most STD's and most HIV in America, and their ancestors are from countries with the highest HIV and STD occurrence on earth. They are the most recidivist race in America. They contribute almost nothing to GDP comparatively, and 64% subsist by tax dollar entitlements. These inner city blacks have no concept of personal responsibility. They sound uneducated when they speak, have a small and simple vocabulary, they are unsafe to be around, and they need to be segregated or deported to Liberia as soon as they commit violent crimes. Sooner or later the blacks that remain in America will be great contributors to our country; but as it stands now negroes are a burden and nothing more.
     
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    You have to understand you are debating young/naivety! Once life hits these young folks in the face then they will have a better understanding. At this point trying to convince them (of anything they currently don't agree with) is as productive as pissing in the wind!
     
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    Karl Marx, more like Emma Goldman or Proudhon. Why do we need so many goods if it's going to go to waste? Why do we need to have people starve for progress? If you wish to ignore me, then fine. Just remember something, I explained to you what I think when it was off topic and you decided to close your ears to it.
     
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    I can't speak for everyone else, but I value the ability because I am entertained by how much the habitual bed-wetting crowd freaks out about it.
     
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    what progress? Stealing from others is a legitimate reason by itself. Gotcha wow, what progress we have. Seems we are sliding to 1939 Nazi Germany...now that's real "progress" progress is the last thing on a progressive's mind. the prize is my money, not theirs.
    BTW here is the face of the New Jew:

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    courtesy of their governments. Germany, Russia, China,Cuba, Mexico, and coming soon to the US.....
     
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    The U.S. is a plutocracy where the powerful don't need guns to control and subdue the citizens. They do it by the promulgation of moronic media, mindless toys and poisons such as obesity creating 'foods' and other legal drugs. This creates an under educated, unthinking public who don't have the interest or the energy to see what is happening to them.
     
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    There are guns in nearly every Swiss household because Switzerland has a small standing army but also has compulsory annual military service. Those guns belong to a well-trained militia which could be called upon in times of crisis or threat. That's a long, long way from the insanity of mass gun ownership in America where no training is deemed necessary. You will also note Switzerland's miniscule gun crime statistics compared with those in America, despite similar rates of gun ownership.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21379912
     
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    Please tell me how Nazi Germany was an Anarchy. Or better yet knock off the Nazi crap.
     

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