Why do atheists think that religious people are delusional?

If you never claimed that yours was relevant, then yours must have been irrelevant to the topic.

 

Not necessarily.

 

I suppose that you are now going to travel down another irrelevant rationalization in an attempt to explain "Not necessarily". You stated that you did not claim that your posting was relevant. Well, if, upon your declaration that you did not claim to have posted a 'relevant' post, then the post was in fact irrelevant.

 

You're too funny. I proved how different forms of energy always existing is an inherently illogical assumption.

It is your say-so that proves nothing.

 

Not necessarily.

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Actually all you did was make that claim. You can't prove that claim.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just pointing out your special pleading and god of the gaps fallacies.

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Actually all you did was make that claim. You can't prove that claim.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just pointing out your special pleading and god of the gaps fallacies.

 

Then perhaps you can answer the following:

 

For what? Im not the one making claims.

 

You proved in your posting above that you can be redundant.

 

Was a system error

 

You asked: "Can you prove there weren't different forms of energy before the Big Bang?"

Is kinetic energy a form on energy? Yes.

Is kinetic energy not byproduct of a particular scenario? Yes.

Based on the above, did kinetic energy (a form of energy) always exist? No. So there goes the possibility of different forms of energy always existing.

 

Prove it.

 

Uh, this is merely your assertion. You can't prove kinetic energy wasn't present prior to the big bang.

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You guys are out of your league here on Energy.

There are seven forms of energy we can recognize when they are in operation.
When they are "in operation," we say that they are Kinetic Energy at work.

But Energy can exist as potential Energy, too.

Battery hold electrical energy which is at rest, until we hook it up to start a car, for instance.
Or, a Ball in our hand stores Potential Energy until we drop it.
Potential Energy an exist without a Universe.

But if Potential Energy transforms itself into Matter, and the Space/time to hold it appears, we have then created a Universe.
Potential Energy existed without a Universe, is what I am saying here.

 

You make a claim and then absolutely refuse to 'prove it'. Then you turn around and expect someone else to prove a claim MOD EDIT - Rule 3

 

How can kinetic energy always exist when it is a BYPRODUCT? Why are you ignoring this fact?

 

As the scientist, Rupert Sheldrake says, science says grant them one miracle(the big bang) and they can pick it up from there and explain the rest.

I happen to like the physicist tom Campbell's ideas on all of this. In My Big Toe, he lays out the idea that Consciousness is the fundamental, not matter, and the material universe is kinda like a virtual reality, created from big C Consciousness, that works something like a computer, using energy and information to create the virtual reality we call the universe. This Consciousness is outside of the subset we call reality, the universe. But fragments of it are received by the brain, which acts as a transceiver, so that the Consciousness is inside its own creation, in fragments, with the largest part of it outside of the universe, which is a subset.

And so, the universe, and all that is involved in it, didn't come from nothing, but from a Consciousness that man has called god, and then he created various images of it, using his brain, and they vary across time and culture. SO, when you say there are a thousand gods, what you are really saying is there is one Consciousness, but man has created different ideas about it, and each of these ideas are seen as a different god, when there is only one god, but thousands of things imagination created, of it, giving it various qualities.

 

The problem with that theory is that the Universe...it's set of Natural Physical Laws that work with our Universal at MINIMUM 10-D Space-Time Geometry existed BEFORE Humans existed as Humans evolved from other life forms on Earth and all life on Earth evolved from the original Single Celled Life Forms that came about by a process known as Quantum Evolution as the same Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy that comprise ALL MATTER are the same in a Human as they are in a ROCK or a piece of WOOD!!!

LIFE is a byproduct of Quantum Evolution.

AboveAlpha

 

And the laboratory replication of this quantum process that creates life is found where?

 

Quantum Evolution is happening all around us as Quantum Evolution is simply the process by which Quantum Particle/Wave Forms arrange themselves into Matter through the natural physical laws of our Universe.

From the point of the Big Bang there at first only existed Quanta in a super excited state and as this state was reduced Quanta formed Hadrons such as Protons and then formed the first Element being Hydrogen and thus Hydrogen Gas as a Plasma.

As this mass collected via gravitation it collected at some areas in space to a point that Gravitic Compression generated Fusion and we got the first Stars.

Within Stars all elements up to Iron were created and then the first Supernova's generated all heavier Elements.

Planets were formed and these planets were bombarded by Ort Cloud Celestial bodies such as Comets which bombarded the plants and deposited H2O and thus we got Oceans.

The elements through electrical charge and UV and other Radiation which causes Chemical Reactions created Molecules and over time molecular complexity continued to get more and more complex until we got DNA....and then the first Virus as a Virus is not a living thing but it does have DNA thus showing just how close the inanimate is to the animate.

At some point conditions were right for DNA to become so complex that the first Life forms were generated and at that point Biological Evolution which is just another form of Quantum Evolution occurred and eventually the very first forms of Humanity came into being through evolution.

Now there are a multitude of Universities and Institutes and Labs all attempting to achieve Genesis in the Lab and out of several hundred teams there are currently over 12 that claim to have achieved Genesis.

But this has to be verified and the difficult part is proving that a Team had a completely sterile environment in a sealed and completely contained system when they achieved Genesis and 2 of those 12 Teams have passed 2 hurdles of proof and one team of the two has recently passed the 3rd hurdle of proof but the 4th hurdle is to repeat the entire process and that takes time.

So they will have finally accomplished achieving Genesis in the lab sometime in 2016.

It was supposed to be by the end of 2015 but one team had to go back a step to check for a possible issue of contamination which has been resolved but they had to wait for verification.

Now the over 200 Genesis in the Lab projects that are known of are not all such efforts as there exists many such efforts in the Private sector.

AboveAlpha

 

Suggest you tell him that then as he is the one who declares that god is the ONLY logical conclusion. I am merely questioning that logic, please point out where he states it is a theological conclusion?

Great, now point that out to him .. what ever scripture says is not relevant to this. I notice you have yet to point out to him that his assertion is not logical but theological.

Truth as you well know is subjective, what you consider to be the truth is purely that which is formed within your own mind., neither can you likely know whether people like me will likely ever know the "truth" or not.

 

That depends in what that faith is invested.

IMO there is a great difference between religion and faith.

 

Well, if he is reading these postings within the thread he is involved in, then I would guess that he has been told. After all, these are not private messages.

See my comments above.

Not until such time as you make an expression of 'truth' that is also recognized as a 'truth' within my mind.

 

I'll remind you of that the next time you "correct" someone else.

Which is basically just a repeat of what I stated.

 

That is very observant of you.

 

In order for you to prove that, you would need to first prove that a similar scenario (one which allowed for kinetic energy) did not exist prior to the Big Bang. If, as theorized, there were and are other time/space continuums, then kinetic energy could have existed there. The idea is that energy (in all its forms) is transferred from one continuum to another via the link between black holes and white holes. In short, the beginning of OUR universe was not the beginning of ALL universes.