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Education i s really important to me. But one of the things I know about college is it enhances what you already have. it doesn't make you a genious beyond everyone elses capability. It's good that we have people who have mastered academically a specific field but that doesn't neccessarily help the job market.

 

Well. For one, people with master's degree will almost certainly start new thread in the correct forum

 

My state wont hire teachers with masters degrees anymore.

They cost too much and are roughly equal to a teacher with a bachelors degree.

 

Some bachelor's degrees are useless, but are good foundations for a useful master's program: Psychology, business, etc.

Undergraduate study is a lot more simple and general than graduate study. Undergrad degrees will teach you some basic ideas in your major and a lot of other general education - history, english, math, etc - that doesn't directly apply to your area of study. Graduate study is a lot more focused and detailed, and a lot more effort.

 

What state is that?

I will mention that no school course can really fully prepare anyone to teach. it takes a few years to get the hang of it for most people.

But don't kid yourself, the teacher with the masters degree is prolly a better teacher after running that gauntlet, but not during.

i founf that getting the MEd was a distraction that ddetracted from my job while I was studying.

 

"Why do people with a masters degree think they are just meant to be a leader?"

That's what 'Master' means.

 

So there really is no difference. Just wondering why people go through all the extra time and money if it doesn't matter.

 

Most bachelor's degrees don't mean (*)(*)(*)(*) these days unless it's a very specific study such as aerospace engineering, et cetera.

 

Wrong forum.

 

I had an employee who had to send a daily report to a half dozen people on email. Unfortunately, he could spell, his grammar was atrocious, and he didn't write well. We were discussing this and when I asked him a question he said, "I have a master's degree." I asked what that meant and he said it meant he wrote good. Oh, well, I guess that's an answer.

 

That is a bit like saying that there is no difference between regular and high-definition TV. Both give you the same program, the same information.

Or like saying that there is no difference between a 386 processor and a core i7. Both just add numbers and move data around.

Or like saying there is no difference between VHS and Blu-Ray, both have the same movie on them.

The difference between a Bachelor's degree and a Master's degree isn't a difference of kind, it is a difference of intensity or quality. For many jobs it is either the difference between basic entry positions and a management position. Often it is a $10k or more annual difference in salary.

The value of the degree depends on your intent and goals. Some fields require at least a Master's degree to get started. Others don't require any degree at all. A person needs to determine their career goals and seek education accordingly.

 

I've also seen more than one 'genious' that uses apostrophes correctly.

 

I really don't understand the whole rush to degrees in jobs these days. Your average secretary job wants a 2 year. Hell most jobs that don't require manual labor want at least a 2 year. Do you really need a 2 year in anything from rocket science to arts and crafts to know how to use Word and Outlook? I'm still working on a 4 year for programming just to prove I can program, yet I'm programming on my own just fine. Luckily it's also full of crap that is relevant to the programming world like ethics and humanities.

To be fair thought the math and programming courses are very valuable and teach real world stuff. Just wish colleges would drop the fluff, and businesses in general would drop needless degree requirements.

 

Just so. 2/3rds are just substitute HS diplomas. Get one in engineering and you actually have a credential of value. Get one in history and wipe your ass.

 

Same can be said for masters programs. A lot of times it is the school you are coming from not the degree.

 

For many jobs the degree is just an easy discriminator.

Look at it this way:

A business gets 50 applications for a position. Most of them would easily be able to do the job. How do you choose?

One easy way to thin the field is to add a degree as a requirement. If you require a degree, a number of applicants will be filtered out, and it will make the decision easier.

Businesses used to be able to use high-school diplomas to thin the field, but almost everyone has one these days, so a degree has become the new standard.

 

Correct! As a hiring manager, when I got a req approved for additional headcount, my corporate recruiter ranked the applicants before I ever saw any of the submitted applications, and education was weighted heavily.

Two year "associate degrees" did not rank much more than graduating from some high school, but a genuine four-year Bachelor's Degree always made the "cut" unless it iwas in something like "basketweaving".

Interestingly, a lot of people try to enhance their chances of getting a good job by going to a community college or tech school AFTER getting a Bachelor's Degree, and getting their version of a "masters degree". Most of these are just a joke, and nearly everybody in corporate management circles knows it.

Why? Unless you complete a real Masters Degree program at a real university, and write a Thesis, these "play-like" "masters degrees" usually mean that you went to a few classes a month for about a year, wrote a couple of papers, and maybe took an open-book final exam. And you think THAT is going to have some hiring manager getting heart palpitations to hire you and pay you a huge amount of money? Guess again... especially in the "new reality" of today!

But, yeah, a genuine Masters Degree is definitely a great enhancement to anyone's career. But, no matter what your level of education, you've got to use what you've learned, and never think that you're too smart to work energetically and enthusiastically....

Oh, personally, I never got a Masters Degree... just a Bach. of Science with honors... and then worked my ass off and did well....

 

Pick the Asian kid. He didn't get any spiffs.

 

Do they actually do a better job than the others though?

 

Yeah..."I may not know what I'm doing...but I have a masters degree to prove it"

 

How else do you propose they pick who to interview? Each interview takes a half-hour. An HR professional costs the company about $30 an hour including benefits. Many technical jobs also like a manager and a technician in the interview. The manager costs about $50 an hour and a good technician would be about $40 an hour. (all of this depends on career field, of course.)

So each interview costs a minimum of $60 - more if the interview is detailed or runs long. interviewing all 50 people would cost the company about $3,000. Eliminating half the people by making a degree required saves the company $1,500 on the interview process.

How else do you propose thinning the applicant pool?

 

That's not the point of this thread. I am just asking if it really matters. Seems from the responses that most people ffel there is really no difference in ability and practice. But it does cause for discrimination in the hiring process.

 

Like Harvard or Yale

 

We know for sure that MBAs from Yale don't mean squat. It might get you a jop but it doesn't get you performance.

 

I obtained a masters in history only because it enhances my political science degree. It really isn't much added knowledge beyond a bachelors just more work.