Why Do So Many Americans Lack Empathy?

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  1. Up On the Governor

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    So the last time we recklessly bombed an area was decades ago. Copy.
     
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    Just an FYI, the Taliban and Al Qaeda insurgents are also called "civilians." We call the innocents "friendlies." So yes, we certainly target some civilians.
     
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    Newsflash, a few ?hundred? do not represent a nation of over 300 mils.
    And please, do not let this be a reason for letting hatred and condemnation take over your own heart.
     
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    What does this even mean? Should we not be more careful?
     
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    Perhaps yes. Might even be a combination of the 2.
    Between you "John Wayne" Yankees and those silly extremist Muslims, its hard to figure out who's really worse anymore.

    BTW...are you sure anyone was burning your flag on 9/11?
    What year might that have been?
     
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    It means things happen.
     
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    It means your previous statement makes no sense. No (*)(*)(*)(*) things happen. That has nothing to do with whether we can or should be more careful with friendlies.
     
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    It is more difficult to (*)(*)(*)(*) ('urinate' okay?) on people brought up to believe in social solidarity and human rights. They expect umbrellas and kick (*)(*)(*)(*)s ('exretions' do?) where it hurts.
     
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    How doesn't it make any sense? I said there are casualties in every war. Friendlies, civilians alike. Anything can happen on the battlefield. Nothing ever goes according to plan. I'm not saying ignore collateral damage.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with bombing a country into submission if they declare war on us. But that's not the case currently. We kill more innocents than enemies, probably usually on accident but still.
     
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    You have to realize the US was based on a war system, most people that came over here from other countries were outcast, pirates, hooligans, and rough necks. That's just how the country has been shaped, it's just in our DNA, any prison statistic could show you that.
     
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    I think you need to realize that we are defending innocent civilians from their brutal dictators by sending said civilians to their graves and displacing their families. All in the name of freedom and democracy. :sun:
     
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    Cool, lets start with your house. Not such a good idea anymore is it?
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    No I think HE is like that. Most Americans have more sense than that.
     
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    The US government defending innocent civilians from their brutal dictators by sending said civilians to their graves and displacing their families is because they have a vast interest. Like the US government had during the expansion of the west 100-200 years ago.

    Same BS different continent.
     
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    It is so hard to have any sort of accurate number regarding the amount of terrorists vs civilians we kill. Since the enemy doesn't wear uniforms and don't openly walk around with guns (except when getting ready to attack) there is no telling who among the dead are enemy or civilian. I will say the majority of women and children are innocent, but we have had kids as young as 9 throw grenades at combat patrols and we have had a number of women do the same or strap bombs under their burkas.

    You must also understand this. The US is barely allowed to drop bombs at all in Afghanistan. It takes a lot of brass and time to assemble and green light a strike package. The terrorists will plant a bomb in a crowded area and detonate it not caring how many innocent people they killed as long as they got a few Coalition troops. I was personally involved in one such incident. It happens all the time.

    I will make a safe bet and say the terrorists are responsible for the majority of the civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. They just don't care, we do. And you are correct when we do kill civilians it is on accident, the terrorists do it deliberately.
     
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    So far on this forum I have been called:
    Terrorist, murderer, coward, psychopath, sociopath, and soulless. According to some of the people on this forum I have seriously solidified my seat in Hell next to Hitler lol.
     
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    I really don't understand why there needs to be an explanation at all? We are obviously at war, casualties happen on enemy units and civilians alike, enough said.

    Anyone who has experienced death of a loved one can understand without having to ask.

    People die, that's just life cycles, nature balancing harmony.
     
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    I explain things to try and debunk some of the stuff the media puts out. You are right though, the only explanation needed is the fact that the US spends billions of dollars on smart weapons to minimize collateral damage.

    I'm just sick of people blaming the US for what the terrorists do. We try not to hurt innocent people, the terrorists don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*). Yet somehow it's all our fault that X number of civilians are dead.
     
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    The politicians will do anything they want with the slightest wind change. The only reason we haven't nuked these countries we are at war at right now isn't because of some policy thats in place or to promote freedom and democracy, no.

    The only reason we haven't nuked such countries like Afghanistan is because Politicians and corporate lobbyist who have invested vast interest wouldn't profit in an area swarming with high radiation levels, nor profit in time and money on rebuild or importing workers.
     
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    People really need to stop calling people who are defending their homelands terrorists. You can call them "the enemy". Just as middle eastern mothers who lost their sons and husbands call us "the enemy". And no not 100% of the time we kill innocents is it on accident. Some of our troops may not be ordered to kill innocents but it happens because some are truly psychotic. I never once said all troops are psychos nor did I say the US military actively seeks out psychopaths. They know the nature of a volunteer military is going to attract these types. And these types make good soldiers, just as they make good cops. After all the stories of psychotic cops killing innocent Americans I am flabbergasted that some people can't understand the same thing goes on with our troops overseas. Even more so due to racism, the fact that they aren't Americans and much of their activities are under the radar.

    To be clear the vast majority of American troops are NOT psychopaths or sociopaths, but just people doing their jobs. If they were they wouldn't be supporting Ron Paul as much as many of them do.
     
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    Show me an example. You're the accuser the burden of proof lies with you
     
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    This talk of citizen bombing reminds me of the American Revolutionary War. Those British were in nice straight formation, as were the Americans initially and the Americans were getting beaten bad. Then the Americans presumably with the help of the Indians took to guerilla fighting and the British could not understand how the Americans could be so unrefined.

    Here we are and American now is supposed to hold standards that its enemies do not hold. Its enemies hide amongst civilians. We should not make the mistake of the British. Instead we should fight a war to win. I do not feel that the life of a civilian is more important than the life of the American soldier who is attempting to protect that civilian. You do not want civilian casualties, but you also do not want casualties of any kind.

    P.S. I don't mean to offend any British with my comments.
     
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    We are not fighting a war to win but fighting it for profit and contracts. In any normal war once the corresponding government wins it absorbs the others assets which include land, property, and wealth.

    What are we doing exactly, even if we apparently win this war we will be what now? Handing it back to the Iraq/Afghanistan government. That sure is going to moral the troops. We are not fighting this war properly, and in most historical wars a country that tries to create a transparency government for as long as we have been trying to do, will not win statistically.
     
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    You know this yet you are voting for Obama in 2012. Ahh America, we're a special kind of people, eh? Obama said he wouldn't let Iran get a nuclear weapon, which means he's going to continue these wars until the bitter end. If you don't mind me asking what are you getting out of Obama? That's the only logical conclusion: bought and paid for voter. :puke:
     

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