you aint there helping raise those unwanted kids. you aint paying the mothers the 1/2 million $ (each kid) that it costs to raise one properly.
That's because it is NOT about the "children" ....Anti-abortionists are all, and only, about punishing women for having sex ....
It may not be ALL about protecting children. Much of it actually just has to do with opposing murder and protecting the inherent right of each innocent human life not to be killed by someone else. If you die of hunger and exposure to cold, that may be a tragedy, but if you die because someone else decided to kill you, that's an injustice that has to be addressed.
I think it should be strongly noted here that, at least for desirable categories of babies, there are plenty of families willing to take them in. In fact there is a long waiting list. Why do you think America was bringing in babies from Russia?
It should also be strongly noted that "long waiting list" is for good old white cute babies with no underlying issues . .so much for caring America.
There is no murder in abortion, I just wish you pro-lifers would stick to the facts instead of all your emotional hyperbole. Murder is purely a legal definition of one person unlawfully killing another, a fetus is not a person and even if it was there is a very, very strong argument that abortion would be justified as self-defence. BTW a fetus is not innocent, it's not guilty either, it can be neither, guilt and innocences require the ability to comprehend either or both, a fetus does not have that capability. Hence why a child under a certain age cannot be prosecuted for any crime they commit.
Tough. Women aren't broodmares for the barren. Let them adopt a dog or cat from the pound and save a BORN life.
I think this was all addressed in another old thread: hand over the money real slow like... or the fetus GETS IT
As your numerous posts have shown it has NOTHING to do with children but controlling and punishing women....did you think your Dramatic, Emotional , Erroneous posts have disappeared?
Using the argument of the utilitarian value of saving money by terminating the unborn, one could argue euthanizing the infirmed, the elderly, the chronically unemployed...would in turn be saving money. Would it not? If indeed this is strictly a financial discussion. 90% of Medicare costs for the elderly go into the final year of their life...wouldn't it be cheaper to euthanize them rather than invest the money to keep them alive for a year or so at a very reduced quality of life? How about the chronically unemployed? They pay no taxes, they are burden on those who pay into the system....we could save a lot of money by euthanizing them...in fact let's euthanize everyone who is unwanted, everyone who is a burden on society. We could cut the deficit in half in a decade by simply killing people who become a burden to the rest of society. Essentially this is your argument in defending abortion.."it saves money." Well lots of things could potentially save money by killing it, why stop at the unborn? The unborn aren't "real people." I see, and how easy would it be to dismiss the life of the infirmed and the elderly?
Yep and was totally blown apart. - - - Updated - - - In your case it certainly is - - - Updated - - - As usual you take a point and twist it to suit your own agenda . .never mind it is expected.
So you deny starting this thread titled : "Thinking up new punishments for women who get abortions" ? You are denying starting a thread titled: "2 Fool-proof ways to have sex without getting pregnant " ?
Abortion has nothing to do with euthanasia....No, there's no slippery slope to euthanasia of the elderly, no connection at all. Just because you can't tell the difference between a fetus and an actual human being doesn't mean others can't. Abortion has been around since humans have been around. Using your hilarious "logic" humans would've started killing off the elderly thousands of years ago. Do you see it today? No, you don't. So there's proof you are completely wrong......and using a non-existent reason to argue against abortion didn't help your side........
So what's your point? ^Common sense 101 right here. Additionally, a child dying because of parental neglect is a crime for which the justice system is already set up to handle. Indeed. Which is why they should make wiser decisions if they don't want children. If women insist on being equal to men, they need to recognize that with equal rights comes equal responsibility. Which means that when you slip up in life, you adjust and handle it like an adult. You don't panic and take an innocent life to save your own ass. That's not mature behavior. You're either an adult or you're not. If you only want to be an adult when you get the perks, then guess what, you don't really want to be equal. You want to be privileged. Which is a mark of immaturity.
As usual all the responsibility to not have children is placed on the female, nothing about men putting a condom on it . .how typical. Just because you do not consider an abortion a responsible choice does not mean it is not, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion on that matter . .however that opinion has absolutely no bearing on decisions other people make. you do make some really, really ridiculous comments, ones born from ignorance I suspect.
Having an abortion when one cannot or will not take proper care of a child is mature. It is NOT mature to give birth and then expect others to pay for it ie. welfare.
First: How much women value your opinion of them 0 You post, "If women insist on being equal to men, they need to recognize that with equal rights comes equal responsibility."" LOL! A. Women are equal to men. B. Since when have MEN accepted responsibility ?!!! "EQUAL responsibility?! You ARE saying women can be just as irresponsible as men and you would be correct! C. No "innocent " life is taken in abortion. The "life " of the fetus is ended. D. Being mature doesn't mean if you do something stupid or make a mistake you have to wallow in it for the rest of your life...Do you wallow in your mistakes or do you do something about them. You post: """ If you only want to be an adult when you get the perks, then guess what, you don't really want to be equal. You want to be privileged. Which is a mark of immaturity. "" What patronizing horse poop. Your aSSumption that all men are all mature adults is just so laughable.... you think you know what women want and how they should PEFRFORM to get those things??? NO, women do not have to DO anything to have equal rights....they certainly don't need to perform like trained dogs for you....
^This is called a rationalization. It allows you to do something that you know in your heart is wrong with the approval of your conscience. This little mental gymnastic exercise is responsible for most of the great evils in the world. Killing a child is never mature. Especially in the second instance where it's purely a matter of self-serving desire. By your logic, if someone has a six month old baby and gets postpartum depression and decides she no longer wants to be a mother, it is mature to lay that baby's head under the tire of her car and run over it. Since she was not "willing" or "able" to take care of the child anymore. Well, I agree with you here. Which is why mature people make a sincere effort to be responsible with their decisions regarding sex. They don't act in the moment and worry about the consequences later. Which is what results in most unwanted pregnancies. Flagrant immaturity in decision making. Additionally, when a mature person does get hit with an unexpected curve ball of life (i.e. broken condom, forgetting the pill), they adjust and do the right thing. And if they are not currently in a position to do what they need to do, they reorganize their priorities and put themselves in such a position. Because this is what an adult does. They answer the call of responsibility instead of running from it. Oh, cute. We're going to play this game again. "Anti-choicers." Nice. So then if I'm pro-life, wouldn't that make you an anti-lifer by default? Because I was born.
Then the poster you challenged has as much right to be here....... can't stay in the correct thread???
BREAKING NEWS - Unifier can read peoples minds. No that would be using your logic and then trying to project it onto others .. nice try though. Again what you consider to be the "right thing" may not be what others consider to be the "right thing", yet you want to force your ideology onto all via legislation .. seems you don't have as much respect for the rights of the individual as you proclaim. The only game is your fallacious insistence that abortion kills a 'child' or a 'baby' which in reality is nothing but a lie, are you a liar? Only by someone who doesn't have any intelligence, do you qualify?
It's called recognizing common behavior patterns. Very, very basic stuff here. But if ridicule makes you feel like a big shot, by all means, pleasure the crap out of yourself.
Women don't have to rationalize abortion. Women everywhere have always terminated unwanted pregnancies because in their hearts they knew they had the right to control what happened to their own bodies. That's why pro-lifers have had to work so hard to create an artificial stigma. Off topic, this is the abortion board, not infanticide. Unwanted pregnancy happens to those who are just children themselves. It happens to women who don't have the resources to care for a child, and others for whom coping isn't as simple as just "reorganizing priorities." Responsible means "able to choose for oneself between right and wrong." Just because you don't like their choices doesn't mean they are wrong or irresponsible.
They have to rationalize it to themselves. I don't see any other way that a normal human mother would be able to terminate the life of her developing unborn child. Women also know in their hearts it is wrong on some level, but they do it anyway. Your rights end where someone else's begin. Are the two really that different? The fact that they may be children does not excuse them. It's not okay for a child to kill a baby. No one said she has to keep the baby. I agree. Unfortunately with abortion, the woman is not only choosing just for herself.
She doesn't see it as terminating "her developing unborn child." She sees it as terminating a pregnancy before an unborn child develops. Sorry, they don't. If you don't know the difference, you are clearly not qualified to debate the subject. No one said it was. Right, and she doesn't have to risk her health and life, permanently damage her body, and incur a major life-changing event because you say so. She is the ONLY one with the authority to choose for herself and the embryo.
