Why do Zionist apologists demand special debating privileges?

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  1. klipkap

    klipkap Well-Known Member

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    This is about facts, culture and the truths about the land of conflict. It is as topical today as it was 50 years agao.
    Here’s the standard progress of a debate about the history of Israel/Palestine:

    # A MYTH gets pointed out, say the one that the 1948 Palestinian refugees were told to flee by their own leaders. At this point I usually call a MYTH ALERT!!!

    # Then there is a post that claims that the calling-out of the so-called Zionist facts as MYTHS is all BS and no proof of ‘Mythdom’ is ever offered. Accusations which might accompany such a post are of racism, Jew hatred and anti-semitism.

    # Then it gets pointed out that proof WAS provided, and the apologist(s) is/are challenged to refute it.

    # Then one of two things happens:
    1) Wartime radio silence prevails until a few weeks later when the same MYTH is offered up again, or
    2) There is a slightly more honest response and the Myth evidence is “refuted”, but via a Strawman debate on a side-topic.

    Let me give examples:

    Case 1): In forum debate I post a list of Zionist myths, such as here - [ http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...runner-show-comes-town-17.html#post1061788066 ], after exposing historical truths about the “Holy Land” was described as being anti-semitic:
    This was followed by the following post: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...runner-show-comes-town-17.html#post1061788103
    Note; no refuting, just a pure Strawman rant containing utterly unrelated personal attacks.
    Which is pointed out here: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...runner-show-comes-town-17.html#post1061788216
    What happened? Was proof forthcoming? You have to be joking. This was what was offered up next: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...runner-show-comes-town-18.html#post1061788252
    Isn’t that amazing? Still no factual rebuttal, but the Myth is still made out to be justified.

    There has still been no factual rebuttal, let alone with quality and verifiable references.

    And then, in a few week’s time, the same claim is made that pointing out facts about history is a sign of racism, anti-semitism, and Jew hatred, and that anyway such anti-Israeli facts have been disproved!!!

    What a tortuous way to avoid facing the truth about Zionism. Don't the Zionist apologists see that they are utterly transparent?
     
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    Small wonder why Einstein called so many ZioNAZIs fascists.
     
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    Disgusting post, Klip.
     
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    Small wonder why we call so many truthers - Idiots.
     
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    *CLANG* empty post, Uri

    Say, do you want to have a go at refuting this response to a tired old Zionist Myth?:

    Now that REALLY WAS disgusting, to use your adjective. Care to refute it properly and prove the OP wrong?
     
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    Why is this so important to you - do you just hate Jews? Individuals who post day-in and day-out about the "evils" of Israel are usually just Nazis or anti-Semites.
     
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    Looks like KLip exposed a few truths and in yr case hit a few raw nerves . LOL


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    Looks like KLip exposed a few truths and in yr case hit a few raw nerves . LOL
     
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    Fer feks, sake , why the fek, do you guys always fall back on that fekking old crap abt "do you hate Jews " ?

    Guess what , there are hundereds of thousands / if not millions of "jew" who critizise/condemn - Israel - infact there are even some observent Torah True Jews who hate Israel and say it should not exists .

    Go to JewsAgainstZionis/JewsNOT Zions/NetureiKarta sites and educate yourself.


    Learn what True Torha Jews say about Israel.



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    [QUOTE=SpaceCricket79; deleted



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    Not interested, thanks.
    Maybe after you'll apologize to Gilos.
     
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    I would think that what klip did was obvious - He made a post against another poster.
    I can write hundreds like these each day, and they will be all about you.
     
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    Many thanks for that comment, SpaceCricket.

    It is perfect proof of the thesis of the OP that posting facts is morphed to "hatred of Jews" by the Apologists, rather than either admitting to the facts or trying to disprove them.

    I couldn't have done better if I tried for a month of Sundays :)
     
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    Wrong once again.
    In fact this new thread was created at the invitation of Shangrila (click the blue) when the old thread became too long. Since it was no longer Latest World News I had a choice of continuing here or in Political Beliefs. I chose here because PB is so US focussed.

    I am not surprised you do not want to take up a challenge regarding facts, Uri. The OP explains exactly why.
     
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    Wrong once again.
    In fact what Shangrila said was that the thread is too long, and that you should start another.
    You started another, and in your first post you accused another poster of doing something which you don't like.
    You are being arrogant and disgusting.
     
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    There goes another far right delusional playing the anti-semitic card.
     
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    It is good to have an intelligent exchange an this issue. What is not acceptable is the old and tired anti-semitic card.
     
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    ^--Stormfront plant
     
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    ^ Thank you for destroying your own argument. With your ignorance and hate you have now fully validated the OP's thesis on this thread.
     
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    Hahahahaha - OMG - Hundreds ? - really ? Considering the source , its bound to improve my reputation ,on this forum , for whatever its worth.

    .:giggle:
     
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    Do you really wanna go there?
     
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    Straight out of the Loser's Handbook , when you can't think of anything else to say, accuse the opponent of being a stormfront plant.

    LOL ...
     
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    Now wasnt it your idea ? Let's see what you're made of. LOL


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    "Considering the source , its bound to improve my reputation ,on this forum , for whatever its worth. "

    Really?
    Are you positive about that?
     
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    So, it seems that the factual posts regarding the listed Zionist myths, when seen again in the form of simple copying of posts, cause the Apologists to get their knickers in a knot. Once again veifiable facts get them to run for cover below Strawman deviations to irrelevant issues. Just so typical.

    I am not surprised because facts will always destroy dogma in the end. All they can do is to turn the destruction of their Myths into personal issues in a failed attempt to pretend that their sacred Myths are not slowly crumbling as more and more people are faced with REAL history and see the sham for what it is.

    OP confirmed.

    Refuted Myths remain unsullied.
     
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