Why does the right persist in trying to paint NYC as crime ridden?

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

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    I provided links, and you did not, - you are only. And we are not talking about number of arrests, we are talking about the number of crimes, which have declined significantly. Why does it offend you?

    "Overall index crime was driven down by 5.7% in July 2023 (11,165 v. 11,83 ) compared to the same period a year ago. New York City saw a drop in five of the seven index crime categories in July 2023, including a 35.3% reduction in homicide, a 17.3% drop in rape (124 v. 150), a 13.6% decline in robbery (1,513 v. 1,752), and a 17.6% decline in burglary (1,120 v. 1,360). Hate crimes citywide declined by approximately 8% (49 v. 53) compared to last year."
    https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00088/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-july-2023
     
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    Oh, so you read it? That wierd. Because if you did,

    you would have read

    NYPD data shows every crime category except for murders and shootings is up over the past two years.

    And you would have read

    1. “The NYPD staffing emergency is approaching the point of no return,”
    precincts barely have enough personnel to meet the minimum required to safely answer 911 calls.
    2. At the current rate, 1,400 cops are projected to resign this year before qualifying for retirement even more than last year’s record 1,297

    3. New York City cops are resigning at a record-breaking pace this year as the NYPD’s alarming exodus continues, according to new data obtained by The Post.
    4. “The NYPD staffing emergency is approaching the point of no return,” said Police Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch.
    5. In addition to the hordes resigning so far this year, the NYPD has already seen 262 cops retire over the first two months of 2023, a 3% uptick from the 255 for the same period last year and a 7% increase from the 245 who retired in January and February 2021

    And the grand finale
    “The only people that are happy are the cop haters, activists and defunders.”

    But you read past the headlines huh
    Hilarious

     
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    Actually, I provided an entire post
    Which also states
    NYPD data shows every crime category except for murders and shootings is up over the past two years.

    I'm sorry the math is so difficult to understand how thousands of officers have left NYPD and how you can't equate the fact that the rest can't just pick up the slack.
    Or the fact that having thousands less officers means thousands less arrest.
    I guess you are one of those who think criminals just turn themselves in to make sure your crime statistic works and the amount of officer arrest have nothing to do with it.
    lol
     
  4. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Your own link states "number of complaints". It does not say number of arrests.
     
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    You are really struggling here. The OP stated ". "And after a big crime increase in 2021, and a smaller one in 2022, early numbers indicate that crime is dropping. ". The figures in the OP are for 2023. You are showing so much desperation with your strawman post and the lack of you understanding your own link which backs up the OP. Here is your link again https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf
     
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    Is it that you don't know how to read, or that you just don't want to, because you are realizing you have been played?

    The crime statistics have literally nothing to do with cops retiring, because crime is going down, not up.

    "Overall index crime was driven down by 5.7% in July 2023 (11,165 v. 11,83 ) compared to the same period a year ago. New York City saw a drop in five of the seven index crime categories in July 2023, including a 35.3% reduction in homicide, a 17.3% drop in rape (124 v. 150), a 13.6% decline in robbery (1,513 v. 1,752), and a 17.6% decline in burglary (1,120 v. 1,360). Hate crimes citywide declined by approximately 8% (49 v. 53) compared to last year."
    https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00088/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-july-2023

    From your sheet. I mean.....how does this translate to crime going up? It shows MASSIVE historical reductions in crime

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    Says the guy who thinks comparing crime in the 90s to today has some relevance. lol
    You are a product of leftist media and you just can't deal with anything that goes against your media training.

    Just wow. So lets get you educated on some simple math.
    Your crime statistics are based on arrest and convictions.
    When you have 3000 less officers in the same city, you will have less arrest.
    Where did you think your statistics come from. Magic?

    NYPD data (not your neo leftist media) shows every crime category except for murders and shootings is up over the past two years.
    So it people like yourself who will knowingly take your media claims over the actual officers in the field.
    Thats how ridiculous the left has become these days.
     
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    Yet the NYPD states every crime category except for murders and shootings is up over the past two years.
    So while your kind salivate over these idiotic leftist media claims, most Americans believe the NYPD over the OP.
     
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    The difference between my "right wing" city and New York is the type of crime. In my city we have the gangs...and gangsters and criminals tend to murder each other which increases our homicide rate. Our police arrest and prosecutes which increases our crime rate on paper.

    What we don't have as a rule...are random attacks where innocent strangers are beaten, or thrown on subway rails, ...to be randomly attacked is a terrifying thought as you walk the streets or ride the rails.

    New York lets people go a few hours after assaulting a complete stranger and the assaulter can go back at it. People are video taped as a mob emptying a store of its goods and no one arrested. Sure this leads to a realistic perception that crime is out of control.

    I wouldn't feel safe in NY because I'm not seeing the criminal system acting to protect the innocent. I'm not seeing arrests after people are videoed emptying a stores shelves. The current system policies are geared to be lenient towards "disavantaged" criminals in the name of "justice w equlity".

    Rudy was interested in creating a safe environment for law abiding citizens, businesses and tourists. His policies were designed for that and that alone. That objective creates a different outcome.
     
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    It is likely up more than that. With fewer police, people are reluctant to report a crime since they feel like the police can do nothing about it and they are concerned that the criminals will seek retribution for reporting them.
     
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    But their media says something different so do not try and use any common sense or state what the NYPD says here. lol
     
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    No crime statistic on the planet uses number of complaints.
    But I see why you are now reaching
     
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    Neo leftist media......? I quoted official NYPD NYC.Gov data from their website.

    NYPD Announces Citywide Crime Statistics for July 2023
    August 3, 2023
    Overall crime driven down across New York City in July as shootings continue to decline
    https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00088/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-july-2023

    Um.....no, crime stats are not based on convictions. You can parrot your claim another 20 times, but it wont change facts. A shooting is a shooting even if they do not catch the shooter.

    Ironically your own link shows MASSIVE reduction in crime. LOL

    I'll let you go at this point, since nothing people say is penetrating with you. Its like talking to a brick wall
     
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    @clovisIII
    comparing a city to a state is called “apples and oranges”
     
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    Lol. You are the one who provided the link that used number of complaints proving the OP is correct
     
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    Nope, sorry
     
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    Are you denying that you provided the link that used number of complaints?
     
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    I am denying your out of context claims.
    Or you can provide the part of my link that used number of complaints proving the OP is correct.
    Bet you can't
     
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    It's called, "Perception v Reality". If people keep on hearing on how violent a city is, they perceive it to be violent irrelevant of facts.

    This phenomenon happens everywhere.
     
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    Are you not capable of reading the few figures in your link that uses "number of complaints", you know, where you wrote "No crime statistic on the planet uses number of complaints." Perhaps you don't understand what "year to date" means?
     
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    I wouldn't call NYC "incredibly safe". Major crimes rose 22% in 2022.

    Is it safer than Memphis, Tennessee? Yeah, but that isn't something to brag about.

    Adams is planning on defunding police to pay for illegal aliens, so you might want to expect a crime spike in the future.
     
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    There's no way NYC will ever be cleaned up enough that it isn't an urban shithole.
     
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    IDK. I guess it depends upon where in the city you look at. I go to NYC every few years and have never felt unsafe in Manhattan except a couple times down near the East Village where there were people looking to start trouble for the sake of it I guess. Brooklyn I am a little more uncomfortable with though nothing really has ever happened to me there during the day. I stay out of there at night.
     
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    So you can't provide the part of my link that used number of complaints proving the OP is correct.
    Thats what I thought
     
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    Lol. Your link consists of one page! Are you not capable of reading it? Are you not capable of understanding what "year to date" means? Here is a clue: it means number of crime complaints from 1/1/23 to 11/19/23. See all those negative percentages?
     

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