Why follow God and what makes it moral?

If you can speak for them, Then you should prefer that most people were never born ...

 

You presume so much. It is hard to carry on a conversation with someone who assumes things about what is said.

No--it is like father and child.

See--there are more assumptions. It is a relationship. Do you "justify" your relationship to your parent? Or is it just what it is?

You can't put God in your pretty little box. God is what God is and either you accept God on God's terms, or you reject it. Free will's a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) that way.

 

look who posting: you think god gave you rules versus reading the literature and realize, god didnt do anything.

kind of like the greek bible you posted in the other thread; constantine commissioned people to write bible. God didnt!

What is god is a she (mother nature)......... and we are all HER children? Would that bug you to realize that each and anyone of HER children can offer wisdom that supercedes constantines?

again, looks whos posting; you false witness about beliefs in direct dishonor to your mother and father, not to mention all the god(s)

god dont have terms as constantine coveyed.

nature sets the terms, not constantine and false witness is purely against the law


you have a book that can fit in a little itty bitty box while the knowledge of mother nature is hugenormous and apparently youu dont want to put it into your itty bitty thought process.


ie.... people who are so biased are why i claim they are bigots

 

I believe the Truth of God is written in our very being--not in a book. The book is a means of coming to know, but it is not God, nor can it express the reality of God as God is. However, it can communicate important things about God.

What? That's crazy talk.

I believe God is Spirit (actually, the Bible also says that), and so a "gender" isn't relevant. However, the relationship is. God's relationship to us is parental. I believe there is a distinction between men and women that goes soul deep, so I see the relationship of God to His creation in a masculine sense and therefore Fatherly (plus, that's how Jesus described God). However, if you want to see it as "motherly"--go for it. God is God--God made all that is--men, women, fathers, mothers, so obviously, God "gets" what those relationships are all about.



Don't try to put me in YOUR little box, Bishadi. You don't know me like you think you do.

 

I have no fear of any god or gods, but I am quite scared of people who actually believe that a god has "spoken" to them!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It is impossible for the non-existent to reveal anything, let alone themselves.

 

Okay. Like I care.

 

Im not talking about 'non-existant'. Im talking about God. Just because He doesn't reveal Himself to you, doesn't mean He hasn't to others.

Quantrill

 

God is a concept to some and a reality to others. The United States was founded on the concept of a 'Creator' that has bestowed on each individual the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

This is a 'God' concept which meant to effectively take ultimate power out of the hands of man. We are said to live 'under God' (or Creator if you prefer) which gives mortal man perspective in setting up and running a society of human beings.

Religion takes it one step further in that the devout believe that God is real and that He has laid down commandments to be obeyed by mortal men. Indeed the belief is so strong that God is often said to 'speak' to these folks.

I have no way of knowing if God exists or does not exist however, I do know that each one of us is part of some greater unknown whole and that we are each in possession of of everyone else's existence to some extent.

I would rather live in a country like the U.S. that acknowledges the absolute incapability of man to set high morals and virtues and defers to a higher power.

 

Quite correct, or better yet, that they were born into better circumstances, rather than those pitiful conditions God has left to arise.

 

What assumption (if any) did I make that was wrong?

Ok, but how is that valid?

It should be justified. NOTHING just "is what it is" - and NOTHING SHOULD BE SO.

Yes, I can. Let me ask you why I can't?

But my question is, why should I accept God's terms? What makes God's terms valid in and of themselves.

Even worse when the only choices are eternal slavery or eternal (*)(*)(*)(*)ation.

 

How do you know that?

What do you mean?

Is anything you have said relevant to the thread? If not, could you refrain from any more mindless comments.

 

Maybe you should. This sunday it'll be ten years after a god spoke to a few of his ardent devotees, - with devastating effects.

 

I didn't say I love god because he loves me. I didn't say I was his "slave." You assume there has to be some "justification" for soverienty. You assume the way things are is not good, but rather cruel. You assume ALL OVER THE PLACE.

How is it NOT valid? It's a relationship--what makes a relationship "invalid?"

Why? Because you think it should be that way? Who are you? All KINDS of things just are what they are--why are you so discontented with reality? For instance--I am me, I am what I am. I cannot be you, I cannot be a dog, I cannot be a tree, I cannot be a Honda Accord. That's just how it is. It is what it is.

You can put what you THINK God is in your pretty little box, but that won't make it so. Just like you can THINK I a haggard, fat, old man living in a shack rather than the ravishing beauty that I am.

You "should" do what you see fit. You "should" allow others to do as THEY see fit. I can't tell you how to have a relationship with God or WHY to have a relationship with God. That is up to YOU. I can tell you my own experiences, my OWN "whys"--but that will NEVER be satisfactory to you--nor should it. It's YOUR relationship with God.

That's not how I see it. In fact, I see it EXACTLY OPPOSITE. Slavery to sin is (*)(*)(*)(*)ation, whereas there is freedom in living in accord with God.

 

great post.


ie.... in a sense, that is how i view religious wingnuts, because as soon as they will lie to themselves, then there are practically no limits to what they will do

 

the US was founded on choice. Not religious beliefs.

that is a scary concept. Echo's the post reflecting that 911 was by them same kind.

perhaps a sort of question to that effect should be asked before anyone is allowed to board a plane or have children. Perhaps anyone who believes god talks to them shouldnt be allowed to fly or be around any children!

great opinion/realization

then you blow it...................

mankind wrote the bible. mankind wrote the commands.

ALLL concepts of empathy, compassion, LOVE, personal responsibility.....etc..... are by mankind, not any fignewton of peoples imaginations.................


the belief that some utttttter 'ting..... is doing it, is the creation

 

It's like being colorblind. Green and blue do exist, even if you can't see it. Not everyone is colorblind.

 

i know but wingnuts are more than color blind, they are often just liars.

Any can believe as they wish but then break every law of any god by misleading (speaking/writing/posting) with lies.

An idiot actually believes they are defending their god(s) with lying but in reality just furthering the ability and concepts of the corrupt.

 

I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings, Bishadi.

 

Any doubts yet?

We have an exacting demand to prove everything we state, yet MDF refuses tod efend his antics about the rule of nature?

No matter what you say, he has taken the opposite, not even apparently able to conceed a point that he has inserted his own beliefs onto others ... by calling them slaves, after several people have pointed this out to him.

Its just sheer obstinancy.

Let me tell you why your are wrong no matter what! Is that honest skepticism? Science?



Let us know when you will stop being petulant and lay out the standard you think a paradigm has to meet. Until then, all you are doing is opinion shifting.

 

If I understand, determinism and theism have at least one thing in common: the impossibility of freewill. In other words, both determinism and theism allow only slavery.

This is why I have philosophical problems with both determinism and theism. But my problems with these ideas go beyond philosophy. The current state of physics strongly implies that there is a genuine random element in nature, which, if true, invalidates both theism and determinism. If there is a genuine random element, determinism is impossible because things can happen in more than one way; all things are not required to happen precisely as they do.

Genuine randommness also invalidates theism, in several ways. Genuine randomness disallows the possibility of "God's plan", for if something is truly random it can not be part of a plan. Randomness also invalidates omniscience, for if some things happen truly randomly they can not be known. This also invalidates prophecy.

For now though, it must be admitted that there may in fact be no geunine randomness. It might be true that we are slaves of nature or God, and that all this typing I do is an unavoidable side-effect of the big bang or the existence of God. I simply don't know. No one does.

Nevertheless, the current evidence is on my side. The current evidence suggests that determinism is false, absolute cause and effect does not exist, we are not slaves to natural law, and there is no God

 

No god or gods exist. There is not one iota of evidence in the history of the world to show the existence of ANY god or gods. He/she/it/they have never revealed themselves to anyone, because they do not exist. However, fearful, ignorant and superstitious people like to believe they are special, so they "believe" they have been contacted by their special god. Nuff said.

 

The USA does NOT deffer to any non-existent "higher being". The law of the land is the LAW, not some imaginary god.
Just because the founding fathers used the terminology of the day, religiously speaking, to validate their declaration of independence is absolutely meaningless.

 

OK but I doubt that "most people" will agree with you.

 

He revealed Himself to me and many others. Just not you and many others.

I guess your right, that does make us special to God.

Quantrill