Why Harris lost

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  1. tharock220

    tharock220 Banned

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    Her message was "I'm not Trump, I'll give out freebies, celebrities love me!!!!".

    Trump actually talked about the issues that Americans find important in practical terms.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The following article was posted at RCP yesterday and I presume it's still up (EDIT: It still is). Joel Kotkin, author of The Coming of Neo-Feudalism: A Warning to the Global Middle Class, is one of the great Cassandras of our time, and not surprisingly he provides some valuable insights and historical context to the issue we are discussing here - "progressive" arrogance. I encourage you to read the entire article and highly recommend you read his brilliant and meticulously researched book:

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    Joel's site and more articles:
    https://joelkotkin.com/
     
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    I wouldn't have been surprised if Harris would have won, but that wasn't meant to be. There will always be those that don't want a woman President and that's a fact. There will be those that say a woman's place in the home doing housework or in bed. I've heard some people say that. I won't be surprised if some rights are taken away from certain people like a national abortion ban and put into a constitution amendment. You might see liberal Democratic rallies on C-Span more often than before. You could see many changes coming up in the following year. So, stay tuned.
     
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    Not entirely accurate,
    the left should be experts on that point considering Joetato and kumalla scam..

    Nice to see it's made some folks understand the play, all that's needed now is self awareness..
     
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    Ahhh, so the ability to recognize reality was the problem..
     
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    Politics is largely retail sales business people are responsible for how they vote but they don't owe either political party squat. If you want people to vote for you ideas you better make a persuasive case for those ideas and calling people who disagree with you bad names is not, in the end, making a persuasive case for your ideas.
     
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    Since the democrats say we are not ready for a woman president then why in God's name did they run her?
     
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    MONTY PYTHON LAUGHING.jpg

    LMAO ~ Where to start....
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Excellent article by Nicole Russell at USA Today:

     
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    The genocide to the Palestinian people and the Biden's administration support (including Harris' statements). That is pretty sure the reason why Harris lost.

    Very surprised nobody here mentioned that fact.
     
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    If you want to understand why Harris lost, all you need to do is look at the numbers. In 2020, Biden got more than 81 million votes Harris less then 70 million. (Granted that does not include Navada and Arizonia numbers who are still for some reason still counting. I guess they are having trouble finding enough people with fingers and toes to continue the count.) At the same time, Trump is within 1 million votes of what he got in 2020. So, the glaring fact is that Progressives and moderate Democrats did not turn out. The question is "why?". The answer is "Jews". After the Jan 7th Hamas attacks on Israel, the Biden Administration and the Progressives parted ways. After the attacks, the Biden Administration did what they needed to do, and surprisingly, they did it as allowed by the US Constitution. They provided weapons, money, logistics and Intelligence support to Israel. They deployed US Naval Assets to the region to protect the shipping lanes. The US Constitution allows the US President to do that and only that. The President could have deployed US Military assets for 100 days, but thankfully he didn't. At the same time, the progressives went on an antisemitism tirade. Progressives and the Biden Administration pent on polar opposites on this issue. Add to the fact that Harris' husband is Jewish, and you will see where the votes were lost.
     
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    Or maybe it didn't have to do with her genitalia but her lack of qualifications?
     
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    Trump didn't have experience in government or military when he first ran for President.
     
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    She had no competence, terrible anti-American and unpopular policies even though she would not state any, had accomplished virtually nothing in her career -- traits that no rational person would vote for. But, she nonetheless got many million votes -- from the blind and infirm.
     
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    Progressive Arrogance, eh?

    Amazing.

    What form of arrogance, if any, would you use to label the Christofascist agenda promulgated by a large and politically powerful part of Trump's base?

    Indistinguishable from the Taliban are many of their positions.

    I think perhaps it would be equally apt to label this massive fail as Progressive Naivete.
     
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    It couldn't possibly be that the dems ran the worst Presidential candidate in American history. Nahhh, it's just idiot garbage nazi racist, sexist insurrectionists, amirite??
     
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    That would have perhaps changed Michigan but not the over all result. If the palestinians are indeed facing genocide it is the result of the insanity of the leadership they by an large wholeheartedly support. In the end the Palestinians have left us to choose between the genicide of the Jews or the Genocide of the Palestinians. Guess where the overwhelming number of Americans are going to land on that one.
     
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    Yes, "progressive" arrogance.

    Not amazing at all, really.

    Ah yes, the takfirsts who are fond of tearing down historical monument they don't like. I would agree with you that they are indistinguishable from "Christofascists" in many of their positions, and I would add that they are indistinguishable from "progressives" in many of their positions and attitudes, as well.

    In fact, it's downright remarkable how similar the three of them are to one another. Three peas in the totalitarian pod, always trying to ram their beliefs down other people's throats.

    That form of arrogance immediately comes to mind.

    That's an interesting take, and I think we could dedicate an entire thread to "progressive" naïveté going all the way back to Rousseau and Morelly. Fascinating subject, but it could get a bit esoteric.
     
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    The dems lost because of fascism. Their leaders chose to control everything . Figuring that they knew more than the people who put them in leadership. A few examples:
    1. The party decided to run Biden instead of Bernie Sanders. NO ONE believes bumbling old Biden got more primary votes than Bernie. But party leadership decided to overturn their own voters.
    2. Refusing to support any dem candidate who wanted to run against Biden.
    3. Then removing Biden and installing Harris without a single vote.
    4. Stifling free speech unless it corresponded with the regime's views.
    5. An uneven justice system. If you concurred with the regime's views, you could literally get away with murder; if you didn't, you face charges and harsh punishment for the smallest of offenses.
    6. The regime will say how your children will be raised and educated.
    As much as dems throw the word fascism around, these are all fascist tactics. Free countries don't accept fascism for long.

    Of course Harris was an ignorant candidate and they pulled Biden way too late and the left wing media did her no favors by kissing her ass instead of holding her feet to the fire. But the fascism is the basic reason this happened. The Democrat party has real contempt not only for conservatives, but for their own voters.
     
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    Why Harris lost? LOL My question is: how in the world did she get as many votes as she did?
     
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    LOL - Which brings up a question that I would get a 10 point Flamebait infraction for asking. :lol:
     
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    Trump tapped into the sentiment of the American people who were tired of politics as usual. Kamala was just more of the same except even more incompetent.

    But I guess if Democrats didn't want to show up for a female president that's on them
     
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    That was a good summary and you're not even a Democrat. I can only hope the leadership in the Democratic party do the necessary soul searching and questioning and move the party back towards the center. We need a viable opposition party to MAGA and the Republicans, as any healthy democracy does. The Democrats allow the vocal online minority to drive their policy and messaging and of course that's going to fail every time because the loudmouths on the internet are almost all morons. The Democrats think the internet is the country, and it's not.
     
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    The media and Harris kept telling us Biden was in cognitive good health. We knew different. All that is on record now and will long be discussed in history lessons and political science classes. It'll also be in the dictionary under "Moron". Talk about embarrassing.
    The dems and media thought most people were stupid and would believe them about Biden. They also thought everyone would believe them about Harris. The intelligent people saw through the ruse and voted for Trump.
     

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