Why Harris lost

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  1. CornPop

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    Just think how little Harris had to do to make herself more relatable to the voters than Trump, and she even screwed that up.

    And despite that, he was capable of talking to someone unscripted for three hours when Harris was terrified to do the same. His second term will be what it can be, unburdened by what has been. It's time for Trump to do what he has been doing and that time is everyday. He will prove all the young people who think they just fell out of the coconut tree wrong. We will all be and exist in the context of which we all live each and every day. We will now understand the children of the community are the children of the community.
     
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    It was once the goal is my point. The laws discriminating based on race were struck down.
    Now, here you have the "progressive" wing of the Democrats seeking to put up new ones, because "being color blind isn't enough".
    I think that has now finally backfired.
     
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    He won. Yes. That doesn’t make him smarter. The democrats foisted her on the public and the public said no. He’s still a loon. LMAO.
     
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    Maybe. But he also may surprise you and be thinking about legacy and actually do something good for the people unexpectedly. The man does have a massive ego. So who knows.
     
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    This I agree with. I think this is far more the Democrats losing than Trump winning. He is just at the right place and time facing a historically poor candidate and Democrat party people, many even on the left, are sick of. Some of the lines they take him with are true, but doesn't it say a lot that they still can't beat this guy?

    They call him all sorts of horrible things, making him a very weak candidate, and then they lose to him. That says as much about them as it does him.
     
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    Also keep in mind that while US purchasing power is very very strong, it isn't everything. The same factories making stuff paying workers $1 per hour sell their goods to more than just the USA.

    It may be more profitable for them to keep producing there rather than moving to the US, and let the tarrifs hit their goods in the US while selling more elsewhere. Then Americans may end up smuggling stuff in from overseas markets.
     
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  7. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think Dems would run him if they thought he could win the general election, which he can't, so we'll have to agree to disagree there.

    I agree with a lot of that - I found the running around with NeoCon warmongers rather laughable and unhelpful. Her campaign advisors were about as stupid as she is.

    As for Trump, he certainly isn't a blue collar working class man, but he definitely is a populist politician (as is Sanders), and the blue collar working class is what has carried him to the White House, both in 2016 and 2024. They could be what carries Vance in 2028, too.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, he did win, and that makes him smarter than Harris, her campaign staff and a lot of Democrats. Granted, that's not saying a lot, but the results speak for themselves.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, it does.

    The shifting political landscape is primarily what explains Trump's victory/Harris' defeat. What were once core Democrat constituencies are now voting Republican, and I see this as a trend, not a fluke.
     
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    I think in this election almost any Republican could have beaten Harris/Biden.
     
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    Harris lost for a complex of reasons. Many reasons have been listed above.

    Two important parts of this "failure complex" was the fact Trump blamed inflation on Biden, almost daily, ever since US inflation peaked at 9% in mid-2022. This was mostly the result of the broken supply chains from the Covid pandemic. Trump showed that his 2020 reelection was more important than the lives and health of Americans, an extremely narcissistic view, and so he downplayed the pandemic, even knowing how deadly it will be, thus making it much worse than it had to be. Trump's lack of leadership during the pandemic crisis, doubled the damage that would have been done. Inflation spiked from supply issues, and Trump blamed it on Biden. People are dismayed that their daily expenses are climbing so high, it must be Biden that did this! That is a great example of Trump "Bearing false witness against his neighbor." And, all around the world, other governments in power were blamed for inflation and overthrown for it, just as Biden was. The US still ranks as the 17th WORST nation in the world in per capita Covid deaths, thanks to the damage caused by a Trump Covid Clown Show.

    COVID-19 pandemic death rates by country - Wikipedia

    The second reason is the cavalier attitude Biden and Harris had about the southern border. They SHOULD HAVE ACTED more serious about the border problem. They SHOULD HAVE held a DOZEN press conferences all along the border. One near the border wall in California, one in Arizona, one in New Mexico, and TEN along the problematic border in Texas. They should have publicly asked the border agents what they needed to secure the border. They did not do that, so they lost. Other than those two reasons, the amount of disinformation that was accepted as reality, was extraordinary.
     
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    The Chinese economy depends on serving foreign consumers. The only I can see coming from this is that it may encourage the Chinese government to develop an economy that serves Chinese consumers.
     
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    I don’t think he likes people. He likes his family; well, some of them. He doesn’t care about you, me nor 300,000,000 other people.
     
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    That again speaks to Dem stupidity, and your boy Bernie summed things up pretty accurately:

    There's the stupidity right there. Democrats abandoned the working class, Trump embraced them.

    Moving along to an article in The Nation:

    The ironic part about Bernie's talk of an "increasingly powerful Oligarchy" is that this oligarchy is "progressive" and supports many of the things Bernie supports. As Joel Kotkin* (cited in #27 above) pointed out in The Coming of Neo-Feudalism: A Warning to the Global Middle Class:

    Following a remarkable epoch of greater dispersion of wealth and opportunity, we are inexorably returning towards a more feudal era marked by greater concentration of wealth and property, reduced upward mobility, demographic stagnation, and increased dogmatism. If the last seventy years saw a massive expansion of the middle class, not only in America but in much of the developed world, today that class is declining and a new, more hierarchical society is emerging.

    The new class structure resembles that of Medieval times. At the apex of the new order are two classes―a reborn clerical elite, the clerisy, which dominates the upper part of the professional ranks, universities, media and culture, and a new aristocracy led by tech oligarchs with unprecedented wealth and growing control of information. These two classes correspond to the old French First and Second Estates.

    Below these two classes lies what was once called the Third Estate. This includes the yeomanry, which is made up largely of small businesspeople, minor property owners, skilled workers and private-sector oriented professionals. Ascendant for much of modern history, this class is in decline while those below them, the new Serfs, grow in numbers―a vast, expanding property-less population...

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    Joel Kotkin
    Presidential Fellow in Urban Futures
    R. Hobbs Professorship in Urban Studies

    Biography
    Described by the New York Times as “America’s uber-geographer,” Joel Kotkin is an internationally-recognized authority on global, economic, political and social trends. His latest book, The Coming of Neo-Feudalism: A Warning to the Global Middle Class, is now available in paperback. He authored THE HUMAN CITY: Urbanism for the Rest of Us in 2016 and co-edited, with MIT’s Alan Berger, the 2018 collection Infinite Suburbia.
     
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    There were plenty of reasons why it came out the way it did. One of the reasons was that there were those voters that didn't want a woman President, and I believe I might have said this before and will probably say it again. I will admit I voted for Hilary because she had the experience that Trump didn't have and that should be understandable. There were those that wanted a Republican which is understandable as well. Well, we're all going to have to live with this for a while whether we like it or not. I believe the Democrats will come back some time in the future. You'll see.
     
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    They lost because Americans voted for Freedom over Censorship

    NO WONDER THE LEFT HATES TWITTER:

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    Harris lost because the all-powerful "deep state", so resoundingly advertised by the right as the REASON why people should vote for Trump...it turns out, doesn't exist.

    Now they tell us!
     
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    Ahh....Harris didn't lose because of the Left's arrogance and all the harmful policies, misplaced priorities and hatred that flows from it. Harris lost because the federal bureaucracy doesn't exist! :lol:

    LOL - Kinda makes you wonder what all the Dem bed-wetting over the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 was all about, doesn't it? :roll:
     
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    She lost because she's an idiot, and so is her staff, plain and simple.
    She paid Beyonce 10 million bucks for a 3 minute speech! (what a stupid hag!)
    You really want that ho having say in the financial decisions of the country?
    Please!
    No wonder the campaign of that dumb box of rocks is in debt 20 million, HALF of it is because of Beyonce
     
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    Putting it like the leftist ever popular retort, "I'd vote for a turd before a kumala".

    I hope that helps..
     
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    Whaddya mean, Darth? KaMaoLa has had a say in our country's financial decisions for the past four years!

    In key swing states, the lines at food banks are growing longer
    From rural Michigan to midsize towns in Pennsylvania and affluent suburbs in Wisconsin, food banks are reporting record levels of need that has been steadily increasing over the past several years.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...ines-food-banks-are-growing-longer-rcna175377

    And so the vaunted "Blue Wall" made like the Berlin Wall in 1989...

    LOL ~ Maybe Beyoncé shoulda ran for president?

    She's clearly a lot $marter than KaMaoLa *ka-ching!* :lol:
     
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    No. She lost because they needed MORE arrogance. Democrats needed to remind voters every second of every day that Trump is a convicted felon and a sexual abuser. They didn't because they feared that, even though it was true, some might interpret it as arrogant.

    The notion that American swing voters understand policies or ideology or... anything of the kind... is ridiculous. And these elections prove it. In case anybody had any doubt.

    The American people understand arrogance. And this is why the most arrogant candidate in history won....
     
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    It was bad timing for Harris, and it was that late when Biden bowed out pretty much late. Biden should have bowed out earlier than when he did. Now we have Trump back in to do more on what he wants to do and that's a fact.
     
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    Well perhaps had Dems chosen their candidate simply because she is a woman and because she is not white they might have done better since Reps voted for LOTS of women and blacks across the country.
     
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    They did and repeating that lie over and over only showed their arrogance and abuse of power.

    And the judge just put off making his final judgement, where the person accused does or does not become a convicted felon, until after Trump leaves office. So the question is will you refrain from repeating that lie until then or just keep on with it?
     
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