Why Is Germany a Superpower 70 Years After It Was Dust?

As post #100 to this thread, I think I can see why Germany is kicking our ass. Half the posts here are dedicated to debunking them having nukes (which they do), a quarter are nonsensical one-liners and the remaining handful have some real thought to it.

 

Sorry, but "they do" doesn't cut it. Even when presented over whelming evidence on a well know fact, that Germany doesn't posses their own nuclear arsenal, you're still not adult enough to admit you're wrong. Never-mind the whole premise that Germany is a super power has also been debunked.

Grow the (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

 

They've got nukes. But if it makes you feel any better than no- they don't have nukes. Doesn't change the OP.

 

Your OP is wrong, and maybe in a koolaid laced alternate reality, Germany posses nukes, but in this reality they don't.

But, believe what you want to believe.

 

I don't get the main thread of conversation here -- whether or not they have nukes. What would a bomb gathering dust in a bunker somewhere (a waste of revenue at that) have to do with economic prosperity?

Germany was always a powerhouse with respect to industry, and if you think about it, their involvement in war was their economic downfall on two occasions in the 20th century.

As far as the military goes, US has bases in Germany, but Germany has also lent their military forces in the name of international interests in line with the US. They have a military and the power to hold their own sovereign and don't need American bases to protect them. The bases have more to do with global strategics by the US military, who put their bases in any country that will let them as a means of global hegemony.

 

they are free? they actually work?

 

The OP's laid out points in which he believed qualified Germany as a "Super Power", as if to compare to China, and what the US was at one point in time. One of his/her points were that Germany had nukes, which made it a force to be reckoned with, I guess. It's been pointed out numerous times that Germany joined a non-proliferation treaty, and that any nukes on German soil doesn't actually belong to Germany. Nevermind the fact it's highly unlikely that Germans would approve of their government developing a nuclear weapons program, in the first place.

But you have a valid points about nuclear weapons.

German industry and manufacturing is top tier, and there's no doubting that. But the OP contends that some how they are on par with China, and what we were at one point in time. I disagree with the comparison.

One again you raise valid points. The OP believes that the German military is one of top ones in the world, and able to take down countries in a blink of an eye. Which also isn't true. If the OP knew any thing about the Bundeswehr(German Army), he/she wouldn't make such a claim. Because the German military thru the cold war, was defense oriented, with the ability to sustain counter offensive operations until the eventual flow of follow on forces from the States, or the use of tactical nukes by the Soviets and Americans. The current German army was never built or prepared for single handedly taking down other nations. After the cold war, they cut down the size of their military and orientated towards humanitarian missions thru out the 90's like most of NATO. Now you see the Germans partaking in counter-insurgency operations.


You seem too post pretty intelligent observations in PF, so none of this general info was really aimed at you, or meant as an insult to your common knowledge . I tried to post what the OP was saying, and also in hopes that he would read my response to you as well. Kinda trying to kill two birds with one stone.

 

Hmm, yes I see your points and thanks for the kind words. My thought is that the age of superpowers are largely drawing to a close. The nature of power today seems much more economically oriented. Also, with developed and developing nations, economies are very interconnected to the point that large, developed nations could easily destroy their own economies by waging war against other similar economies.

Even China, which could in many ways be called a "superpower" relies on heavy exportation to fund their society. During the cold war there was obviously more of a stark contrast between societies where a "superpower" meant a lot more. There were two opposing ideologies as well as the very real expansion of soviet power and communist bloc countries throughout Eastern Europe and Central and Eastern Asia.

Even nukes seem difficult to administer. I think the more dangerous aspects of 21st century warfare would be chemical bombs, EMPs, etc..

That is the reason for a lot of the differences. I said in another post a while back that Germany isn't interested in creating a superpower status. It behooves them more to buy up companies around the world and export their scientific talents.

 

Let's see. The U.S. helped them get back on their feet. The U.S. protected them from the U.S.S.R. The Germans have worked hard. The reunification with East German was, in my opinion, both gracious and awesome.

 

Do some research before saying silly things like this. The German economy is very similar to the U.S. economy. They're a both service sector post-industrial economies with approximately 70% dedicated to the service industry...not manufacturing. While Germany is a world leader in producing automobiles, machinery, and chemicals the U.S. is the world leader in high-technologhy manufacturing in things like aerospace, medical, telecommunications, and computers. Both countries have top engineering capabilties and are 1st (U.S.) and 3rd (Germany) in patents. The German economy is probably more similar to the U.S. economy than any other economy in the world.

 

And apparently I have to address this issue and put it rest- this issue that does not affect the OP.

Germany has the power to declare World War Three and launch nukes, so long as either we, the USA agree to it or, we- the USA- no longer exist because we ourselves were already nuked, in which case it's a payback retaliation...

In either case, Germany has nukes. They have access to them if we allow it and ya know what- they have 10-50 of them secretly, in the event the world declares war on the USA and we are all flattened- in that case Germany and Isreal will level the playing field for us, the already fried.

Don't you get it folks- our allies have nukes- secret or not. We gave it to them decades ago just in case. And that case never came up but they still have access.

Just wake up and accept what America has to offer, folks- it's no miracle Germany loves us- they do because we empowered them as a world power with nukes!

Or, if you're as stubborn as the most of you are, they don't have nukes. Well what if they wanted them- who would they go to? Would they build them and invent it on their own- hell no- not when a 55 million ton classified warhead-type object was already in their possession straight from the USA.

Get with it, folks- this is an international forum! And yes- Germany has nukes- so don't mess with them!

Are we all done now?

 

Well...???

 

they supply the French Navy with nukes.

 

we don't have a Uncle Sugar to rebuild us and provide for our defense while propping up local economies with unneeded military bases.

 

The Germans possess the capacity to be a super power, but none the less they are not. A global power projects itself in such a manner. The Germans have little interest in involving themselves into global conflicts. They made the rather wise choice of staying out of the Libya conflict. Germany is the premier economic power of Europe, but they still lack the political influence of a super power.

 

No, you really haven't.

Sorry to break it to you, but Germany has no such power. The sad thing is that many sources have been provided to you that categorically refutes that fact that Germany has no nuclear arsenal, while on the other hand, you have provided not on shred of evidence that they do, because in reality there is none.

This seems like something you just pulled out of your ass. I'm not going to waste anymore of my time refuting the obvious with you, since it's a exercise in futility. The point is that you're dead wrong.

More jibber jabber that belongs in the conspiracy forum.

Just wake up and accept what America has to offer, folks- it's no miracle Germany loves us- they do because we empowered them as a world power with nukes!
Lol, not really. Again you're wrong
Or, if you're as stubborn as the most of you are, they don't have nukes. Well what if they wanted them- who would they go to? Would they build them and invent it on their own- hell no- not when a 55 million ton classified warhead-type object was already in their possession straight from the USA.
One way ticket to fantasy land I guess.

Get with it, folks- this is an international forum! And yes- Germany has nukes- so don't mess with them!

Are we all done now?[/QUOTE]

Ya, I guess we're done. It has proved pointless to prove you wrong time and time again, since you seem oblivious to the fact.

Good luck guy.

 

Germany isn't a superpower.

Only the USA and China are currently superpowers.

Russia could be considered a superpower based on military power but not on any other basis.

Germany is close to a superpower economically (although not quite) but no where close in terms of military power or international influence.

India for sure and possibly Brazil have better chances of eventually being superpowers than does Germany.

 

By the way: Where's the WTC?


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As to the op: Germany is now a superpower largely due to the intervention and manipulation introduced by pappy bush (Prescott to be more specific).

 

Germany was an empire between 1939 and 1945 but they let it fail because the real goal behind it is world domination (global empire), they needed the USA.
There is only one way to create a world wide empire, via the stongest nations, Germany again and the USA.
Europe can be taken over by Germany again and when the USA is taken over (that is if absolute power is reached) they will combine these powers and have their supreme military force, they will dominate the globe (for a while) and start a war again to destroy again.
Evil is upon us as never seen before, if they have control over the USA and Germany the world will look very dark for years to come (until the next war ends, until the people have enough of it)

 

Ugh.

This whole thread has been corrupted. Apparently, you folks don't sit well with the US giving retaliatory warheads to our allies "just in case"... don't see why; don't see why you all don't sleep well because of it- I certainly do.

So let me clear it up for you since you're all not at peace with the unforseeable prospect- Germany has no nukes, okay? Does that make you all feel better?

And when World War Three happens tomorrow morning and we're all dust few will know that Germany and Israel will at the very least nuke those who nuked us off the planet as well.

But this is too much for you all to accept so I will back off to the OP: the point of this thread: how is Germany such a world power when 70 years ago they were dust?

 

Germany has not only built an excellent economy. Over decades it developed diplomatic ties and alliances. Think of NATO, think of the EU which is the prime source of Germany´s wealth today. Because of stable institutions and a reliable foreign policies it has made itself indespensable throughout the globe.

Next to close ties to EUropean countries Germany has become the most sought partner for Russia, the US and China inside Europe.

Germany today has built a very high reputation in almost all civilizational fields....

1.Germany remains the second most admired country globally
2.Germany is seen as having the most positive influence in the world among all countries evaluated.

Its a self made Germanophilia that is the prevelant sentiment on the globe today....


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Why should we be bothered, since none of us will be around to care, quisling or Resistance?

 

BTW, those who believe that a nuclear arsenal has anything to do with geopolitical superpower status lives in the past. In fact the term superpower is a Cold war relict, when indeed two systems, and only two major countries where involved.

In a globalized polycentric world any threat or use of nuclear weapons would be punished by markets and investors or the international community.

Nevertheless Germany has made itself an indespensable power in the European Union, which itself is the largest economy on the globe.

 

Who should have nukes?