Why Is Germany Preparing Its People For War?

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is worrisome. The German government sent out a list of what everyone should have on hand for ten days, and it can only pertain to a war with Russia. But why is Nato pushing for war? I don't get it, what's going on?

    The “Civil Defence Concept” calls on the population to establish a personal store of water and food to last ten days. It recommends that a first aid kit, warm blankets, coal, wood, candles, torches, batteries, matches, charged batteries and cash reserves be kept at the ready.

    Extending over 69 pages, it details a series of measures to prepare the population for a war.

    How to be protected against attacks using biological or chemical weapons? How will the population be taken to safety if a radioactive cloud spreads? Where will the federal government hide if an attack is threatened? Where will cultural treasures be stored in the case of war? How can men and women be made to report for work in ‘sectors vital to life and defence?’”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/stop-the-german-governments-preparations-for-war-against-russia/5542466
     
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    I haven't quite worked it out yet but I think it has something to do with the unstoppable immigration, and NATO is dumb enough to think it will prevail over Russia. If the European populaces don't rise up and nip this insanity in the bud, it's going to be very nasty for them.
     
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    At first I thought the preparation for war had to do with terrorism, but the article says it can only be in preparation for war with Russia. I read one analyst that said Russia is being pushed against a wall so that it will have no choice but to start a war. Alexander Dugan the Russian political scientist feels Washington might want to start a war before the election to help Clinton become president.

    I think though there is something deeper psychologically, like an immense fear of Russia... otherwise why would Germany which has been destroyed twice in order to annihilate Russia, be ready to do it again? They might rationalize it as a military threat or an economic one, but there is no logic behind that, so it must have to do with Russia's influence, and its unwillingness to subject itself to Western standards. Anyway this is just my opinion.

     
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    It looks like scaremongering to me or potentially its just a way for the government to make people be vigilant for terrorists.
     
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    Because Germany goes to the polls in August 2017, and there is a very strong possibility that a right wing party will get elected and start deporting the 'refugees', with the resulting civil unrest from the immigrants and the left wing.
    The new party may even make strong alliances with Russia and then vote to leave the EU.
    You can guess all you want, but I don't think it will end well whatever the reason.
     
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    ROFLMAO... thanks for the great entertainment. That was fun. No, the BRD is not preparing to go to war. No 21st century Germany is not imperialistic. LOL.... oh, goodness, you just made my day. I am still laughing about this one.
     
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    When you will hear Germans screaming "Heil Merkel!" you will understand something!

    It's evident that she is thinking to take over the Republic creating a "moderate" dictatorship. This time with the American support. The German armored divisions will try again to conquer Russia [after invading Poland, of course ... Germans have got this odd habit, when they are getting bored, they invade Poland!!!].

    Jokes a part ...

    in Germany there are groups of power with competing interests [one of them is near to Russia, an other one is absolutely far from Russia and even ready for a regional war in Ukraine]. So the next months at Berlin will be really interesting ...
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure... The 12% they are polling will give them an election victory:roll:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_German_federal_election

    Rabid right wingers and their sexual fantasies... Fun... :roflol:
     
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    The British will never vote to leave the EU either :roflol:

    [​IMG]

    Check the blue line, the only one showing an increase, that's the Afd who want the refugees gone and Germany out of the EU. Give it a few more months and another terrorist attack on German soil and let's see what happens.
     
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    You can have all the fantasies you want...
    They won't be near any power after the next election... If they even get 10% I will be surprised.
    You should find another country to make you wet... Germany won't bring you satisfaction.
     
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    I think that this is due to the economic collapse in Germany (and of course the EU). Which will be soon. Militant rhetoric Merkel - an attempt to distract the population from economic problems. (Obama acts also. Constantly threatened. Lighten up, bears nonsense about "exceptional nation", and so on. But we all know - it is from weakness)

    We look at the share price of DB.

    [​IMG]

    DB is the path of Lehman Brothers.

    [​IMG]

    Deutsche Bank built a pyramid of magnitude EUR 70 trillion. And the day when the bank goes bankrupt and will tighten into the abyss the European Union, is fast approaching.
    A few days ago in its report the International Monetary Fund said that "Deutsche Bank is one of global systemically important banks, which can potentially cause considerable damage to the financial system at the global level."
    Also among of the most troubled banks entered the British HSBC and Swiss Credit Suisse (Both are included in the list of the largest banks in the world).
    In addition, the American branch of the German Deutsche Bank and Spanish Banco Santander SA failed the stress test FRS ( Deutsche Bank fails his second year in a row). Also, significant problems among US banks recorded in Morgan Stanley.
    But among all the troubled banks (and the problem is not only listed above, but also in many other large banks) "Deutsche Bank" is the most difficult. I would even say that his situation is hopeless.
    Deutsche Bank has built a pyramid of derivatives value of more than 70 trillion euros. If, or rather when it will collapse, the fall of Lehmann Brothers seem slight runny nose compared with the bubonic plague.
    If the fall Lehmann Brothers in 2008 resulted in the loss of one and a half million jobs only in the US , the eviction of more than 3 million people from their homes, fall in world trade volumes, and the crisis is not fully cropped up to now, in spite of several series of quantitative easing ( QE) by the Fed, the consequences of the new crisis, which can be triggered by the fall of Deutsche Bank, will be in several times worse.
    Even the IMF analysts recognize that it will cause a chain reaction that will bring down not only the euro area, but also will result to collapse in the US stock markets. The ECB itself does not pull the consequences of such failure and unwillingness to bear the brunt of the consequences (especially after a British referendum on withdrawal from the EU) will push the countries EU to participating in the parade of sovereignties, with the result that the European Union is likely to cease to exist.
    And Merkel knows this. Imagine the consequences of the collapse of the German economy with millions of wild African refugees.
    Therefore, in order to save the oligarchs and corrupt politicians - have come up with an external threat. For example "aggressive" Russia. And the Western media is pumped of Russophobia.
     
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    It would be a very big mistake to under-estimate Russia - by the Germans and everyone else. Jesus aren't the object lessons of Russian history enough to make the fools draw in their horns?
     
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    Merthel is scaring me tbh and i hope she wont be re-elected
    I think im going to go learn russian just incase in september.though
     
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    Dictatorship - is a consequence of the collapse of the economy. For example the head of the "Deutsche Bank", Germany's largest bank, has warned customers about the problems. More specifically, John Cryan said that due to the intervention of the ECB, customers expect a "fatal consequences". "Fatal consequences"means loss of the deposits of depositors - ie, a bank failure.
    But will suffer is not only the depositors, who have more time to take their money, but also pensioners.
    Zero interest rates, which have long been held in the European Union, make it impossible to work pension funds - pension funds have nowhere to put money. However, until recently, pension funds could pay pensions at the expense of fixed assets. If the "Deutsche Bank" bankrupt, a number of pension funds will be forced to stop paying altogether.

    By the way in case of Italian banks are also things go wrong....However... the whole of the EU is essentially bankrupt.
    Therefore, there is a search of an external threat. In this case - Russia.
     
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    Never say never. Do not you know this? For example, you could think about a year ago that Britain out of the EU?
     
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    You do realize that that statement is incorrect, right? I'll let you consider which information is probably wrong.
     
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    Russia, obvious, despite Brexit, if German politicians say to Germans that the Royal Air Force will bomb Dresden again ... that wouldn't be really credible ...

    Regarding EU banks [in Germany there is also Kommerz Bank which is navigating in bad "derived" financial products, btw], the system is near to the collapse and as usual politicians defend their groups of interest.

    Think to Italy: Renzi [Prime Minister] is expression of a group of power centered on Florence and with connections with the local regional banking system [the father of a minister, Boschi, was in the Top Management of one of those banks ...]. Wonder why Monte Dei Paschi [Siena], a bank which should go bankrupt, is going to be saved [in some way or in any way!] by the Italian government?

    Other regional banks [but in other regions of Italy] are not seeing the same favorable treatment ...
     
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    I only know the general economic situation of Italian banks. So I can not claim that it specifically. Apparently bankruptcy of the bank could result in a domino effect. Therefore, the Government will support Italian banks. But everything has its limits.
    Remember how Banco Popolare (fourth largest in the country) has announced a record write-off "bad assets" in the 1st quarter (684 million euros, four times more than in the 1st quarter of last year), after which its shares tumbled 14 %.
    The banking system in Italy has accumulated bad debt in May to EUR 360 billion, and the bank shares have depreciated since the beginning of the year by 40%. http://www.reuters.com/article/banco-popolare-stocks-idUSL5N1881YM

    The bad debts have reached such dimensions that do not pay attention to them has become impossible. Heart of the problem - bad loans (NPL), the total amount of which is estimated at 17-21% of all loans in the peninsula. In absolute terms NPL are estimated at approximately EUR 200 billion, or 12% of Italy's GDP. In some cases their volume reaches 30% of banks' balance sheets.
    Italian banks be allowed to clean the balance sheets by selling NPL investors. The state also guarantees the least dangerous debt securities.
    However, the coin has, of course, a downside. The securities must be sold at market prices. Rates on the market in Italy inflated. Market price NPLs may be from 20 to 50% lower. This will lead to large losses for the bond holders and unpleasant writedowns for banks.
    Among the most affected - small investors, ie individuals who buy these debts to large sums as pension savings. Ordinary Italians were now in a very difficult situation.
    I think that the economy in Italy go to the Greek scenario. It's my opinion. But I could be wrong.

    But.......The difficulties facing Italian banks over their bad loans are miniscule by comparison with the problems some European banks face over their derivatives, Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi said
     
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    OH THIS IS FUNNY

    Russia has openly been re arming and making a huge fuss about it. There's talk everyday about how russia is buying new weapons, holding new excercises, threatening countries etc. Jeanette doesn't care.

    But some small list from the german government about blankets and candles.. OMG GERMANY WANTS WAAAR

    ridiculous! ffs, get some perspective
     
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    Moscow is giving away free land in Siberia... and considering the way the world is going, it might not be a bad idea. I think you have to be a Russian citizen though, although exceptions might be made for Germans.

    I read that Merkel will be re-elected because there is no other choice. Too bad Waggenecht is a communist because she's some orator... just like Nigel Farage; and I love orators..
     
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    I guess you haven't been reading about the Nato war games and arms along Russia's borders have you?

    Maybe, just maybe it might be why Russia is arming itself? Oh that's right I forgot, all Pentagon's toys with its missile defenses in Poland and Romania is to deter Iran... so no worry Russia. You can stop arming yourself.
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    If Deutsche Bank will collapse together with Credit Suisse, then every bank in Europe, including Russian Sberbank will collapse.
    Russia has currently more problems in economy than Europe- pensions are not indexed, part of the pensions fund is again frozen, huge inflation compared to Germany and Switzerland, etc. As for the preparation for war- this is just a nonsense. There is nothing like that announced in public media in Germany, just gossips. By the way, should one consider the fact that every house that is built in Switzerland has an underground cellar with massive metal doors as an indication that Switzerland prepares for war?
     
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    When you talk about the coming collapse of the Deutsche Bank - You have an incorrect statement of the problem. Right to speak not of "if" but "when".

    I am surprised by your comment. If, after the collapse of the banking system in Europe and the United States in Russia will problems - you (residents of Germany) will from this easier?
    You have the same principle as that of the Ukrainians: "it doesn't matter that my house burned down, but well that the neighbor's cow died," right?

    If we return to the topic of the post, Russia is also preparing for war. For example tasked to check the readiness of the central bank and ministries of Russia to work in conditions of war. http://xn----8sbejf1b9b0a3g.xn--p1ai/министерства-и-цб-привлекут-к-внезапн/731576/

    Pensions in Russia. February 1 2016 insurance and social pensions were increased in Russia. Besides. - All pensioners in 2016 will receive an additional lump sum payment. 2017 indexation of pensions will continue. And what's in that strange? Maybe there is indexation of pensions to pensioners in Spain, Italy, Portugal.... Germany? And Eastern Europe countries are increasing pension? For example, in Kansas pensions cut. Maybe in other states too. I do not follow it.
     
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    Russia is the most peaceful and free country in the world. All articles crazy Russophobes are intended to hide the aggression of the West in relation to Russia.
    For example weak-minded Swedish military, politicians and Swedish media regularly seek the mythical Russian submarines in Sweden. Tell mythical stories about the invasion of Russian aircraft in Sweden. And so on.
    But we with you know what to look for logic in the actions of a madman - is meaningless. Is not it?
     
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    Excellent reason for Germans to stock up on food items, etc. Trump has openly said that the US should withdraw from NATO if they don't pay the US more. Since NATO is the only thing that has prevented Russian tanks from taking over Western Europe after WWII the way Russia made Eastern Europe impoverished vassal states, that means that Russia will be free to roll the tanks right into Poland and Hungary if the US withdraws. This is Putin's fondest wish, of course.

    Germany is quite smart to advise its people to prepare for a war in Europe if Putin's puppet,Trump, wins in the US and American withdraws from NATO.
     

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