Why Is Germany Preparing Its People For War?

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    With the current economic state in Russia military investments and preparations for war will make economics even more unstable. When I talked about pensions, I meant that there was only one indexation for 4% while the inflation was around 12 for the last year. EU countries do not index pensions since there is 0 inflation and in some periods it is even deflation. So there is no need for indexations.
    This is what I have read actually today about Economic Forum in Far East of Russia. It is an opinion of the high Russian official vice-premier minister Olga Golodetz:
    https://lenta.ru/news/2016/09/02/poverty/
    As for banks. I did not say that it would be easier in the West when the bank system will collapse. Here one should make another accent- if (or when) Western bank system collapse Russian bank system will quickly follow the collapse. So it is not good for Russia to eagerly wait for Western banks to disappear.
     
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    There is nothing to worry about. Even I will say more - it's good.
    One famous and not stupid European, Napoleon Bonaparte, said, "A nation that does not want to feed its own army will feed someone else." Russian never fed and will not feed someone else's army. Therefore, the Russian population with expenses on Russian army has no problems. All Everything is understood. And supported the government in this matter.

    But nobody said that pensioners in Russia live in abundance. However, in the previous one comments, you said that pensions in Russia are not indexed at all. This is not true. Yes. Indexing is small, but one-time payment will be made in 2016 additionally, which will close the difference in the inflation rate for low-income pensioners.
    It is not enough. But we must not forget that Russia in 90 years was destroyed completely, in the south of the country there was a civil war (which ended only in 2006 (the active phase)), the government was in the hands of corrupt villains. In 2008 - the war with Georgia and the subsequent economic sanctions. In 2014 return of the Crimea, new economic sanctions. ... etc. But you do know about it well. But in spite of that in Russia the standard of living improves. Especially after the recent sanctions. There import substitution - the construction of new enterprises and the creation of new jobs. And the development of military-industrial complex is very helpful in this.
    I think that it is important to look at the trend.
    Compare the international influence of Russia for example 10 years ago and now. The difference is obvious.
    And for contrast - Compare the international influence of EU and US also 10 years ago and now. The difference also obvious.Is not it?
    1. Just you have written as well as some Americans say - when they are shown on the poor in the US, they immediately cry - in Russia even worse. Like children. As if the poor state of the economy in another country takes away them problems.
    2. You before live in Russia, you know the Russian mentality. You know that the Russian people are very patient, but when patience ends, Russian tearing frock on his chest and in this case he can not be stopped
    So you know - Russian spit on difficulties.
     
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    First of all Washington owns all of Europe and they can do with them whatever they want... including using them as cannon fodder in their wars. But even if Washington didn't own them, why would Russia want to take Europe over, I mean it doesn't need men to fight wars and Europe has very little natural resources.

    You do know that Russia has anywhere from 20% to 30% of the world's minerals, and the world would not be able to survive without it. So more than likely its the US & EU that want to take over Russian wealth than the other way around.

    Other than that, Russia is also the largest supplier of wheat in the world, as well as timber, and the second largest producer of gold and diamonds...

    Your problem and the problem with the rest of the Eastern European nations is jealousy, in that Russia has always had the courage to maintain its sovereignty and pride by refusing to bow to anyone including Washington, and will always fight to keep its culture and values intact...
     
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    That's so hilarious. Western Europe has been free since WWII thanks to NATO, which was essentially the Western Allies of WWII. Western Europe has always had a greater degree of freedom and much higher quality of life than Russia. That's why NATO is voluntary-any country can withdraw from it any time it likes just by notifying the other NATO members. Yet they all remain. What happened to the Eastern Europeans in the fifties and sixties when they tried to go their own way? Russian invasion.

    You have all that mineral wealth, yet Russia is a dump.
    Gross Domestic Product per capita
    USA..............$51,486.00
    Euro Area.....$38,341.20
    Russia..........$11,038.82

    Russian life is nowhere near the quality of the West, and the Eastern European countries are rapidly approaching Western standards now that they are free of Russia. Russia hates that.

    Russia can keep its sovereignty, it's Russia's desire to keep it's neighbors in thrall like Czechoslovakia, Poland and the rest that NATO will not tolerate-which is why Russia wants the US out of NATO so it can take over and oppress those Eastern European countries again. With the US in NATO, Putin doesn't dare try.
     
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    It's almost bankrupt too. In fact it will be bankrupt when the single currency crashes and burns - and it will, G_M! :mrgreen:
     
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    1. Flag over the Reichstag. You see NATO soldiers somewhere?

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    2. It was really funny. Only you forgot to add that the US GDP and the EU consists mainly of dog groomers and bubbles on the exchanges. Ktomu of US debt for example - more than 19 trillion dollars, ie приближаться 100% of the US GDP. The Europe debt issue is even more acute. In other words, the EU and the United States - the poor who live in debt....
    Greece + African cannibals is the future of the EU.

    3. This is the most ridiculous item of your comment.

    Learn. May be continue you will not look ridiculous...

    The Marine Corps is pulling parts off of museum planes to keep their F-18s flying. Even with that drastic action, only about 30 percent of their F-18s are ready to fly. Not only that, but instead of getting 25 or 30 hours a month in the cockpit, Marine Corps pilots are getting as little as four hours per month of flying time.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/17/budget-cuts-leaving-marine-corps-aircraft-grounded.html

    Only one-third of Army brigades are ready for combat. http://index.heritage.org/military/2016/assessments/us-military-power/us-army/

    The Air Force is cannibalizing parts from some F-16’s to keep other F-16’s flying http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...lanes-to-cuts-scrounging-for-spare-parts.html and is pulling parts off museum planes to keep their B-1 bombers flying. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...lanes-to-cuts-scrounging-for-spare-parts.html

    And half of Air Force squadrons are not prepared for serious combat. http://www.defense.gov/News-Article...s-make-budget-request-case-before-house-panel

    The Navy keeps extending deployments of its ships, but still doesn’t have enough to meet demand. http://www.navytimes.com/story/mili...e-flattop-gaps-spring-amid-tensions/78426140/

    Serious crashes of Marine Corps planes and helicopters are nearly double the 10-year average. http://www.stripes.com/news/marine-...increase-in-fatal-aircraft-incidents-1.399546

    The Air Force’s B-52 bombers are an average of 53 years old. http://index.heritage.org/military/2016/resources/appendix/

    You need to raise the level of education and do not write nonsense ...However... But it was funny to read your comment.
     
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    I think this picture should be flashed all over Germany before it's too late. What in the damn world could Merkel be thinking of?

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    Yes Ivan, by prior agreement, the Western Allies in WWII stopped advancing outside Berlin and let Russia take Berlin. Fifteen years later, Russia was still in East Berlin and had to build a wall to keep the Germans from moving to West Berlin, which was considerably wealthier and offered Germans opportunities the Russian controlled East could not. The Russian controlled East Germans shot anybody who tried to get past the wall and escape to the West-still, people tried.
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    I've got a question, Ivan. Who is doing better-the couple who make $100,000 a year and who owe $200,000 on a 2,800 square foot (260 square meters) house, or the hobo who lives in a cardboard box on the sidewalk but doesn't owe anyone any money? Owing money is fine as long as you can afford the payments-you get to live in a house and drive the car while you are paying for them.

    Most Russians never get to live in actual houses-and by houses, I mean a building with land around it, trees, a lawn, a backyard for your kids to play in with a swing set and a driveway for your cars, (cars are also something most Russians never get to own). Most Russians live in dumpy apartments that were built decades ago and haven't gotten much in the way of maintenance since. By all means, embarrass yourself by trying to lecture us about how debt is crippling the average American while our kids play in their own backyards and we drive to work.

    As far as the US economy being in debt, that debt is being taken care of by the sale of valuable US securities. The US sells securities which pay only about 1.5% a year in interest, yet we have no trouble selling them at all because they are backed by the US government, which smart investors have confidence in. Russia also sells securities but has to pay over 8% a year in interest because smart investors don't have any confidence in the Russian economy at all. By the way, the payment on the interest on these US securities takes less than 8% of Federal revenues, leaving 92% of our budget to take care of the needs of the American people. Don't worry about us, Ivan, we're doing fine. Now Russia, they're not doing fine at all.

    And yet the plane is still being made, the company still has orders for it from foreign countries, and I don't recall any of them being shot down by Russian made fighters, do you? Come to think of it, outside of one Surface To Air missile that brought down an American plane which is no longer in use, how many American planes have Russian made planes shot down lately? Or ever? Hmmmm.....

    Keep 'em coming,Ivan. It's hilarious how such a country with lousy living conditions and a cratering economy like Russia likes to lecture other countries about how bad THEY are. Physician, heal thyself.
     

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    1.
    It's enough. All the rest of your word - pathetic excuses. You not necessary to show your ignorance.

    2. Your comments on the second paragraph surprisingly ignorant. (You could , for example, read articles on economic topics, to not look completely ignorant) So to answer your nonsense does not make sense.

    [video=youtube;vMWHJDr8fxE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMWHJDr8fxE[/video]

    3. Re-read it again. And try to think. Unless of course you know how to do it.

    The Marine Corps is pulling parts off of museum planes to keep their F-18s flying. Even with that drastic action, only about 30 percent of their F-18s are ready to fly. Not only that, but instead of getting 25 or 30 hours a month in the cockpit, Marine Corps pilots are getting as little as four hours per month of flying time.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...-grounded.html

    Only one-third of Army brigades are ready for combat. http://index.heritage.org/military/2...power/us-army/

    The Air Force is cannibalizing parts from some F-16’s to keep other F-16’s flying http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...are-parts.html and is pulling parts off museum planes to keep their B-1 bombers flying. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...are-parts.html

    And half of Air Force squadrons are not prepared for serious combat. http://www.defense.gov/News-Article-...re-house-panel

    The Navy keeps extending deployments of its ships, but still doesn’t have enough to meet demand. http://www.navytimes.com/story/milit...ions/78426140/

    Serious crashes of Marine Corps planes and helicopters are nearly double the 10-year average. http://www.stripes.com/news/marine-c...dents-1.399546

    The Air Force’s B-52 bombers are an average of 53 years old. http://index.heritage.org/military/2...rces/appendix/
     
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    In other words, you have no answers to my comments. If Russia and it's unfortunate captive states like East Germany wasn't a dump, then why were all those East Berliners trying to run away to West Berlin? Why did the Russian controlled East Berlin government build The Wall with East Berlin police shooting at people trying to cross over to the West? The West didn't build any walls-East Berliners were welcome.

    And you still haven't answered the question about how, if the US economy is so shaky, why the US only has to pay 1.5% annually on it's 10 year bonds to get people to buy them-but Russia has to give 8% on it's bonds, or nobody would buy Russian bonds. You know how bonds work-the safer they are, the less interest they pay. The fact that Russia has to go all the way up to 8% annual interest to get people to buy their bonds shows that smart investors don't think the Russian economy is very safe at all.

    [video=youtube;vMWHJDr8fxE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMWHJDr8fxE[/video]

    You know, I love the way so many Russians on the internet love to bring up Detroit, which is a city with a lot of crime and poverty because the auto industry moved to other places and left the people there without a livelihood. But you forget something-the murder rate is twice as high in Russia as it is in the USA.

    Homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants:
    Russia...........9.0
    USA..............4.5

    And the funny part is, the USA has guns for sale and they are prohibited in Russia. Yet Russians find ways to dispatch their neighbors to an early grave without using firearms. I have to admit, that takes talent. Can you imagine if guns were legal in Russia like they are in America? There would be so many corpses on the streets of Russia that the citizens would have to pile them up on the curb for the daily collection truck to take them away.
     
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    You're wrong! East Germany was closer to the Russian troops, that's why they were able to take Berlin.

    And Washington won't give Germany back it's gold and there is nothing Germany can do about it... since the country still under American occupation.


    I have news for you, in Europe people prefer to live in apartments in the city, and then take off for their houses or dachas as they are called in Russia, on weekends and holidays.

    Russia is a very large country and underpopulated, so the government has allotted everyone lands for their dachas. Some Russians have lawns, but most prefer using their land for vegetable gardens. It's a personal choice.

    Don't be too sure about us doing fine. We are heading into a severe recession. .
    How do you know what the living standards are in Russia? Do you live there? What I do know is that they have no unemployment, while ours is over 23%. They were also able to settle and give employment and homes to one and a half million refugees from Ukraine, while in Europe they are still sitting in camps.
     
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    You got owned.Face it
     
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    Okay, okay, let's settle this. Here are pictures of the NYC subways and pictures of the Moscow subway. Let's see if you can guess which is which:


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    Most people don't spend their lives on the subway. As for your dachas, most of them leave out a few things like plumbing or electricity. And only the top half of the people can even afford them at all, with or without plumbing. Russian apartments are a disgrace, very little upkeep. It's all summarized in the GDP per capita, which says how much the people in a country make:

    GDP Per Capita:
    US..............$51,486
    UK..............$40,933
    Eurozone.....$38,341
    Russia.........$11,039


    By the way, you missed a few pics of the New York Subway:

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    Western Allies were camped for some time outside Berlin, but held up taking the city by agreement with Russia. Many German troops tried to fight their way through the invading Russians so they could surrender to the Western Allies instead of the Russians, under whom prisoners of war didn't last too long.



    Arrangements are being made for Germany to receive its gold. Funny, the Germans seem to be satisfied with the arrangements, only Russian trolls on the internet seem all upset.


    A high percentage of those dachas don't have plumbing or electricity. Less than half of the population can afford them, plumbing or not. And in most of Europe, people live in private houses once they are married with children. Only in those unfortunate countries which were taken over by Russia do people still live crammed into apartments.


    Are you seriously trying to present yourself as an American? You are obviously a paid troll, possibly based in the Russian internet troll center of St. Petersburg, Russia.

    In the last two years, the US has GAINED 5 Million Full Time jobs. That doesn't happen in a recession.



    The US unemployment rate is NOT 23%, it's not even one fourth that. I'd ask you if you lived in America but we both know you live in Russia. Russians live in high rise apartment buildings that were mostly built before the Soviet Union breakup. After the Soviet breakup, the apartments, (the Russians try to call them "houses"), were given away to the population. Very little new construction has taken place since then. The apartments themselves range from small by Western standards to absurdly tiny, but they were a step up from the communal arrangements they had before. And when something breaks, like the water pipes, it takes a long time to get it fixed. Like months. Or years.

    What a dump.
     
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    My-country-is-better-than-your-country never gets old, does it?
    Why even bother to argue with people who have absolutely no intention to exchange opinions and/or debate like normal adults? Some people really seem to get a kick out of pushing their opinion down somebody else's throat.
    The title of this thread alone is a pure joke. I live in Germany and nobody is preparing anybody for war, but I'm not in the mood to explain that to these trolls.
     
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    [video=youtube;yYRJoc5ttxA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYRJoc5ttxA[/video]
     
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    With him is pointless to argue. He is a Ukrainian with fascist convictions who want to get citizenship in Canada or the United States. He living in poverty, he has much envy to others. (Therefore he has a lot of aggression.) And only on the forum he trying to lighten up. About real life in the US (not a tourist visit), he does not even have a rough idea. It's just unfortunate human, who by fate was born in iodine deficiency country, with the ensuing consequences. Therefore he writes all this nonsense.
    Fighting for his, albeit mistaken, creed he was afraid. Therefore, it is deserted even of Ukrainian army. It is for this very loudly scolds Russia. In this way, he wants to look at least in their own eyes - Homo sapiens.

    P/S:

    He even pictures can not post him. He looking picture in Google.
     
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    Germany is not preparing the population for war, but for emergencies. Migrant flow has gotten out of hand and Merkel made huge mistake by allowing so many inside the country and will suffer the consequences, because those are people, OBVIOUSLY, not willing to adjust neither adapt to European culture, civilization, lifestyle, etc. They look to destroy all of that! Germany has become a puppy in the hands of the Americans and is incapable of making rational decisions. Adding the chaotic EU structure and countless organizations where new ones continue to pop-up every day, you've got a pretty big mess! And Russia won't be declaring a war to Germany, but on NATO just so it gets America involved--the main target! Nothing in the news is 100% accurate...reading behind the lines and using some basic psychological analyses can take one further than the 'world leaders'.
     
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    Ivan, your post is incoherent. I wonder if the Russian internet troll company boss who pays you really understands just how much his translation software stinks. Time to upgrade-although Russia is in such bad shape that you still won't have any talking points.
     
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    Thank you very much for giving me this video. I shall use it to show how Putin is going to react the day he finds out his puppet, Donald Trump, has been elected President Of The United States. :thumbsup:
     
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    Your excuses are ridiculous. In this forum, there were many Ukrainians. Therefore, they are easily recognizable by the style of comments. Because of the region Ukraine (I mean iodine) all Ukrainian users of this forum write same comments.
    They remember how was in Russia during the Soviet era and refers to the time USSR.
    This genetic feature Ukrainians. Because they are born and live in a certain region. Therefore, their can be easily distinguished from other people. As in the animal world, you always distinguish his ass from the Arabian horse, or pig from the leopard. Genes allow you to do this. Among the people also. Swedes differ from Somalis (at least so far), the Italians are different from the Chinese ... etc.
    Another argument - among Ukrainians no and was never - known writers, poets, musicians, scientists, and so on. (Because they are born and live in a certain region. Good or bad - it is another question. But it is a fact.). And your knowledge in the field of economics and politics very well prove your Ukrainian nationality.
     
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    Good. We have enough Russians-you're evidence of that. Why not Ukrainians?


    Like how?


    I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and hope that Ukraine and Iodine sound very close in Russian. Because in English that joke sounds like you're ten years old.


    Like how?


    You're wrong. The statistics I quote are current statistics, not from 1991. For instance, here are some current statistics I quoted:
    GDP Per Capita:
    US..............$51,486
    UK..............$40,933
    Eurozone.....$38,341
    Russia.........$11,039



    No other people quote comparative GDP Per Capita data between Russia, the UK, the US, and the Eurozone-only Ukrainians? Who would have guessed?


    What comparative economic statistics do Arabian horses, pigs and leopards quote?


    So?


    The Ukrainian Anti-Defamation League is going to have words with you, boy.


    So it is a Ukrainian trait to post accurate economic statistics, such as this? That sounds like a compliment to the Ukrainains:
    GDP Per Capita:
    US..............$51,486
    UK..............$40,933
    Eurozone.....$38,341
    Russia.........$11,039


    Can we therefore assume that your tendency to make economic criticisms against nations where the people make over three times
    as much as Russians is a Russian genetic trait? Because, after all, all the statistics show that compared to the US, UK, or Eurozone, Russia is a dump.
     

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