Why May issue CCW licenses should be abolished

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  1. Crownline

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    I will agree that states can regulate that carry can be open or concealed, but can't say neither. We have a constitutional right to bear arms, the states can choose between one or the other. But not ban both.
     
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    no state bans CCW

    some have more regulations than others

    and that's their right
     
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    For all intents and purposes, the state of Hawaii does indeed ban the legal concealed carry of firearms. Only one concealed carry permit has ever been issued within the state, and it is to an individual with close connection to the police department.
     
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    wrong
     
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    California here has many counties that will not issue ccw and the state has a ban on open carry. We have a constitutional right to bear arms. Ca can say no to one or the other, but the can't say no to both.
     
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    CCW cannot be completely banned

    not even in California
     
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    I agree, but it is. Statewide ban on open carry and counties that won't issue permits for concealed carry. I reside in San Bernardino county which issues ccw for the asking, San Diego, Los Angeles, no dice. Sorry for your luck chuck, but you or I won't get a ccw if we live there.
     
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    i may not agree with their rules, but they do have rules that allow CCW
     
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    They do, but only if you can prove a reason. Carry large sums of money or valuables might get you approved, but a working stiff like me doesn't stand a chance. In Los Angeles county, you and I couldn't get a ccw. Period.
     
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    "Los Angeles County, with a population of 7.4 million adults, had about 500 residents licensed to carry concealed handguns in 2015, equating to about one in every 15,000 adults, state Department of Justice figures show. San Francisco County, with 700,000 adults, had just four."

    That's 0.00675% for LA Country. 0.00057% for San Francisco County. That's a mighty exclusive process.

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article73538112.html
     
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    Actually, their application of those rules is inconsistent, arbitrary, and capricious. People choose to accept it, but that doesn't make it right.
     
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    99% of the military has that problem too. There's a hilarious website about our condition. It's called "we are the mighty". Great articles
     
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    Indeed.
    If you can/cannot get a permit depending solely on where you live in a particular state, said state violates the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
     
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    I agree they have no legislative basis, however, full faith and credit should already require reciprocity, except for to states that don't allow concealed carry at all (which is no states). It's also against the 14th amendment to deny citizens the same rights and privileges that they enjoy in their own state, just because they change states.
     
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    if one state, such as Alaska, required no drivers test or written test for a license, Congress would not require reciprocity.

    reciprocity requires some minimum standard rules and regulations
     
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    Some states with Constitutional carry will also offer an actual concealed weapons permit for use in states recognizing reciprocity. These permits require training the way that other states' permits require training.
     
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    Yes they do. "Shall not be infringed." Meaning no state can infringe upon your rights as a US citizen.
     
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    They failed to filibuster the voting in of the new justice.
     
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    filibuster for legislation will never be killed
     
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    Didn't the democrats used the nuclear option to implement Obamacare?
     
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    nope.

    they used Reconciliation, just as the GOP is doing now.

    can only be used for bills that reduce the deficit.
     
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    Sure Ron.
    Just as the Feds sponsered and had LEOSA signed into Law........
    Yeah...... Qualifed LEOs, both Active and Retired, can carry in all States and Territories.
     
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    I believe this violates the 10th Amendment.

    the States have the authority and discretion to decide who can and cannot carry a firearm in public in their territory

    if the Feds passed a national reciprocity bill, it would surely be challened in the courts and get a temporary stay
     
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    The Senate voted to end the filibuster for judicial nominations. The filibuster still exists for legislation.
     

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