Why Should Men Have ANY Say In Abortion?

I don't believe that a woman should be allowed to have a baby and then demand the man pay for it. She chose to give birth to it, after all, and why should he pay for her choice?

 

why should woman be given the choice to make two mistakes in a row?

 

I agree with the OP up to the point where she wants to keep it and i don't, then there should be a legal way to protect me for having anything to do with it , if my presence and my money are not required then i don't want to have any word.

 

That's fine Whatnow, you have proven that you are unable or unwilling to answer the very simple question that is not based on any lies. I guess we will all make our own deductions on why.

Thank you for the quick debating lessons supplied.

Have fun out there!

 

Anders Hoveland said,

You are right. These pro-aborts here...are about control and power...that is all. Power not only over the unborn, but the father, the male. They are anti-family, anti-men. Well they like that orgasm that is what this is all about the them. The sex ...the sex above everything else. Uncontrolled sex...and the beauty that comes from killing life in the womb as a result of it. They get off on this I tell ya. I am surpised none of them have an aborted fetus as their avatar.

They are narcissists....its only about them. UNTIL......they want money. Then its about who they can mooch from....the FATHER.

Take a woman who wants to have the child. What if the father wants nothing to do with it? Does he have a choice? If what they say is true....even if a couple is married, THE CHILD IS NOT THE MANS AND HE SHOULD HAVE NO SAY IN THE CHILDS LIFE. In fact these bozos think that the child was always apart of the woman...therefore she owns it. So in reality the mother should always have a say in what decisions that child makes...even into adulthood.

No woman should get a dime from any man....to help her her support her children...that was a direct result of the sex she so called spread her legs for.



If it were this way...these woman would have less time to have recreation sex and would have to work a lot more.....

I propose no woman get a dime from the father...married or unmarried.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am all in favor of making the father pay money to the mother during the pregnancy, to partially compensate her for whatever inconvenience she has to go through. It's only fair, after all. What's not fair is to hold the man accountable to a higher standard of responsibility than the woman.

 

I agree with the OP's premise, those who can not experience the trauma have no say in the matter.

No man can make a decision on something man has never experienced.

Of course we must follow the OP's logic and reasoning which is sound thus:

No woman that has never been pregnant can Vote on the Right to Choose Abortion. They have never experienced a life inside their body thus they have no understanding of what a woman goes through while pregnant.

No woman that has not had an Abortion has a Right to Vote on Abortion, they simply have not the knowledge of what actually occurs, before, during or after.

No infertile woman have a voice in this matter, No old woman no longer fertile, No Lesbian couples have a choice in this matter.

Nice thread.

 

I like to read the post's before I comment and I agree with some of you when you say In the end the Woman has final say and I fully agree.

I do also agree that it should be discussed since haveing a baby not only affects the womans life but the males life as well.

I fully agree that the man if he decides he does not want the child and she does to help pay exspenses during the 9 month pregnancy.

Afterwards if she does not want him there then him his property and money should be of no use to her.

I grew up with an old Western grandfather who told me always open the door for a woman, Always help one in need and always protect them if you see one being hurt.

Ive hit people who've hit girls Ive opened doors for women.

In doing so I have been yelled at and cussed out by a woman for opening doors because "They dont need a male pig to open the door for them" (This really surprised i almost bumped into her appolagized and stepped back as I normally do)

I agree if the "Couple" (Male/female) want to split then great you each figure it out on your own.

I dont beleive a Male should have a choice such as
Woman (Wants to abort)
Male(Does not want an abortion)

So the female has the child and leaves it with the male. That kind of agreement would be hurtful to the female.

It has to be mutual where they both agree on it ITs not a pet or a car its a new human life.

I usually tell my cousins who are younger. Your going to play grown up games, exspect grown up outcomes.

 

men should not pay child support. since its the WOMANS body and she chose what to do with it. men has no say. and i'll use your argument, "sex is not a crime" ...

yeah... attitudes like this are counter productive. should everyone whos not in the army not have a vote because theyre controlling the soldiers body and electing people who send them to X country? doesnt make any sense...

 

That would not be enough for this crowd. The man is not an issue....he is nonexistent....unless the woman would need money. And then they look to the father and the government.

 

Ohhhh, , yep that's right. Those who can not experience the trauma have no say in the matter. Are we not forgetting the one who suffers the most trauma here??
Hint: it's not the father or the mother...

That sounds just awful. Almost as bad as being the one who is aborted... but not quite

 

Its not how I would imagine it should be because I believe the child is half the fathers. But it should be according to the pro-abort group. They say it is not the fathers....it belongs to the mother because it resides in her body. Therefor by their own admission....the father should not have to do anything. It is not his. He should NOT EVEN HAVE TO PAY FOR ANY OF THE ABORTION. The sperm is a gift given in the sex act.....controlled and owned by the woman.
Her body, her responsibility, her financial problem.

 

It's just completely outrageous the courts have ordered fathers to pay for the abortion of their own child, even when they are completely against the child and are willing to provide for them.
That's what our society has come down to, apparently. Forcing men to pay for unspeakable acts perpatrated against children, denying fathers the right to protect their own children from being killed, forcing the righteous to commit evil.

 

Interesting. Care to share some articles on this?

I tried to Google for some articles about this but only found info about China's forced abortion policies. I am really interested to see how many men in the US have been forced to pay for an abortion even if they vehemently oppose it.

 

So no old woman who may just have laready had children and abortions in their life, just because they no longer can
Why no lesbians? they can become pregnant just like any other woman .. perhaps its because you are a little homophobic.

 

you people really do have fun twisting everything don't you .. I really can't be bothered to point out all the stupidity in this and other comments here, its all been done before .. though ofcourse none of the pro-lifers are the slightest bit interested in facts.

 

And abortion is still legal They can whine and moan and insult all they want...it is so much FUN watching their angst and lies and their trying to deny it's about hating women and wanting to control them when all their posts just scream it out loud!!!

 

Her choice....you're finally learning.... try not to be so bitter that other women escaped your problem!!

 

Makedde talks about pregnancy like its cancer. It is the most natural thing in the entire world. It is why we are all here debating on this website.

How many newspapers do you pick up and see where someone has died during pregnancy. Usually they have cancer...or some other related illness not even related to it.

 

http://www.who.int/features/qa/12/en/index.html

 

The way I look at it, the power to choose belongs to the woman because, first off, it's her body, and secondly, being pregnant is the one part where the man cannot equally contribute. Sure he can be supportive, but the woman will bear the full force of any of the effects of the pregnancy. The man will only experience these second hand, and not even that depending on the relationship. In all other parts, both with the conception, and after the birth, both parties can share equal responsibility but only during pregnancy is the burden inherently rested entirely on the woman. It is for this reason that I believe the power is hers alone.

If the biological roles were reversed, and it was the man who got pregnant, I would equally believe that the power to choose was his alone.

 

What a horribly sexist thread. And from a moderator of all people.

EVERYONE has a right to defend innocent life against murder. Being a woman doesn't grant someone a license to kill. And any woman who truly sees herself as equal to men will not expect such disgusting preferential treatment.

 

Lesbians, only one person in that equation is able to be pregnant, I am just following the reasoning of the premise of this thread. It is logical to approach this subject according to the premise of the thread.

I got no problem being labeled, bigots label people, I have no idea if your a bigot, and a bigot certainly lacks the insight for self-reflection so you can not state if your a bigot.

I want to be left alone in my life but it is you who demands and forces Homosexuality on my life. I was fine with what happened in ones bedroom, no problem. But now you need me to openly acknowledge homosexuality. It is you who wants the government to pass laws redefining the meaning of words. It is you that demands children be taught Homosexuality.

Homophobe, your (*)(*)(*)(*)ed right I am, I fear that when my children go to school the Homosexual will tell my 10 year old daughter how they broke up with their "life-partner".

Afraid of Homosexuals. Of course, what sane person would not be afraid of a lifestyle that has resulted in millions dead, if one is to believe your propaganda.

Afraid, your (*)(*)(*)(*)ed right I am afraid that Homosexuals will continue to take research money from children's cancer research and divert it to research of AIDS. With such a limited amount of money in the world how can anyone steal the money from research preventing the deaths of children to research to prevent sexually promiscuous diseases such as AIDS.

Yes I fear those who will teach my children things a person should learn as an adult, not a child.

Besides, your argument is nothing more than ugly bigotry.

Call me afraid and your right, I fear that disease that kills, I fear the uncontrolled Human Nature of Sexual Desire.

In your world, there is no moral or legal constraint on sexual behavior.

 

Lesbians, by definition are both female and so both could become pregnant, so you first answer is wrong

For someone who has no problem being labelled you react in all the wrong ways.

If you want to be left alone in your life why are you here trying to force your control onto other people, a case of do as I say not as I do.
I don't demand anything at all, where have I demanded anything .. more unfounded accusation fueled by your own obsessiveness.

Are you afraid your children may actually grow up without your bigotry and accept people for who they are instead of who they think they should be

More Hetrosexuals have died than homosexuals, and what properganda is my properganda

so even though that research money also helps the millions of hetrosexuals with AIDS, you still want to see them die .. very pro-life of you.

What so you can teach them your bigoted ways first

Would you care to prove that (Probably not)

I fear a lot of diseases that kill which is why its great we fund research in how to stop them, I fear that people like you will take away the choices and rights of the female of our species, where sex is dirty and only for procreation .. its the 21st century not the 17th

What are morals .. is there a defining list that governs us and why should there be a legal constraint on sexual behavior, what the hell has it got to do with you?

Plain to see from your post that you are a small minded, narrow thinking bigot.

 

It takes two to tango.