Why Should Men Have ANY Say In Abortion?

none of those things is a human being therefore your comparison is faulty.

 

This is what I've been saying for eons.....pro-lifers want women to endure pregnancy and childbirth for PUNISHMENT. They believe women are escaping punishment when they have abortions, in the same way getting rid of an inconvenient witness is escaping punishment. Eventually, pro-lifers always reveal themselves, but they still don't get it.

 

There are many who do.

 

If we're anti-choice, then doesn't that make you anti-life?

 

No, pro-choicers want women to be able to make their own choices, whether it is abortion or birth. We are not opposed to birth. You, however, are opposed to women having a choice.

 

No, it's right on. Anti-Choicers have stated many times that a human should be punished for making a mistake....so they must live that rule or they're hypocrits who only think OTHER people whould have to be punished for making a mistake.

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No, DUH , that makes me Pro-Choice.....as usual your " logic" is faulty.

 

but you are anti life for the fetus

 

And you are anti-life for the woman who is actually a person.

 

Try again, son. If you fancy yourself "pro-choice" and you call us "anti-choice" for being the opposite of you, then since we call ourselves pro-life, doesn't that make you anti-life by default? Or perhaps you prefer pro-death?

Works both ways. Herp derp.

 

"herp derp" ???


I am so impressed with your "mature wisdom", son.


Really PO'd about getting caught and paying the price , aren't ya? LOL!

 

LOL you think your choice of a name gives you naming rights over everyone else?

Let me explain it to you. I personally am anti-abortion. But my personal choice does not give me the right to make personal choices for others. That makes me "pro-choice." See how that works?

 

Using your analogy, if a child is born blind, or deaf, or with some debilitating disease, the parents should just put a bullet in the baby's head rather than live a "stupid...wasteful, pathetic life..."? Judging from your tone, I believe you are someone who is quite angry. The "anti-choicers", as you state it, are not the ones killing over 1 million children a year. I believe you are projecting your own issues on those you hate.

 

not punishment. They are escaping the consequences of their own actions by murdering their child and that is what pro lifers don't want. Accept the consequences and deal with it.

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not punishment. They are escaping the consequences of their own actions by murdering their child and that is what pro lifers don't want. Accept the consequences and deal with it.

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They don't use the word punish.

 

Its a good thing then that abortion isn't murder.

 

"What the Bible says about Abortion"

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html

 

You completely missed the point. The "mistake" I was referring to was having unprotected sex and getting pregnant....not a child born blind or deaf and I have no idea what orifice ya pulled that out of.


Why are anger and hate the ONLY emotions you Anti-Choicers are familiar with?

From your tone and post I COULD conclude you don't understand written words ,think you have psychic powers and project your hate and anger onto others.

But I just think you insult people because you have no case, no facts to back you up ...and that must be so frustrating for you.

 

You have a rich fantasy life, I'll give you that much.

So-called leg spreading, eh? Let's not leave off "so called unzipped his pants", huh? (Maybe if I keep repeating 'unzipped his pants unzipped his pants'... I can make that sound derogatory too. (!!)

Yes, sex fiends, they are. Never done a days work, just screwing around the clock. According to you they're too busy having sex to have time to work? Sounds like your fantasy life just hit overdrive...

 

You've already lost the argument when you call abortion "murder." Women DO accept the consequences, AKA punishment, when they DEAL with them by choosing abortion. Pregnancy is a possible consequence of choosing to have sex, abortion is a possible solution.

They prefer the euphemism "consequence."

 

final conclusion................practice celibacy by yourself, then there wouldn't be a decision to make

 

Not at all.

Your title is about the outcome. Pro-life. Birth instead of abortion.

Pro-choice is not about the outcome, it's about how the outcome is decided. The outcome itself is actually irrelevant to the pro-choice position, with the importance instead on the mother's right to decide the outcome for herself. So if you wanted to call someone anti-life, you could potentially call a woman who has had an abortion that if it makes you feel better, but not someone who simply fights for the right of the mother to control her own body and destiny.

It's entirely possible to be both pro-life and pro-choice because they deal with two separate things. Birth outcome and rights. It's the same paradigm as with the gun debate. Someone who is pro-gun is not by any means pro-killing because they support the 2nd amendment. They are both arguments about who should get to make the decision. If you're pro-life in the abortion debate, you very well ought to be anti-gun because you're correlating the right to do something directly with the negative portion of outcomes associated with it. It shouldn't matter that many women choose to give birth instead of abort, just like it wouldn't matter that many gun owners don't use their weapons for crime, because both choices allow negative outcomes to exist based on the choices of those involved.

Aren't conservatives supposed to be the party of equal opportunity, not equal outcome?

 

And how's that been working for the last 10,000 years?

 

30,000 pregnancies every year result from rape.

 

Ah yes but to the pro-life brigade that doesn't matter .. after all the fetus didn't commit the crime, they want to make all woman become incubators for nine months with no choice at all.

 

True enough. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock spilled the beans about their attitude toward impregnated rape victims -- that they cease to be persons and become mere vessels or incubators, as you put it. The whackjobs have long believed that, although it's been more or less under wraps until this past election. But it turns out, Americans don't like that attitude so much.

 

And some Anti-Choice woman haters think that sperm is a "gift" !!!! Even if it's given in a rape!!!!