Why some Egyptians are fuming over Netflix's Black Cleopatra

Make a topic on it then calling Hollywood white supremacists.

 

Egypt may be in Africa but they are considered middle eastern. So understand that when I say no southern country from the Middle East has ever conquered the Middle East does not include Egypt because they are part of the Middle East.

 

Why? I’m obviously pointing out the double standard of blacks for wanting to stop culture appropriation while taking part in it. No where did I say it was bad I’m just calling out this as culture appropriation because guess what it is. And it’s being committed by blacks.

 

Just say it Joe


After me..

"NO BLACK MAN HAS EVER CONQUERED ARABIA!!!!!!!! Ok!"

see how that could make you sound. My friend jihadi John used to say the same things daily, it was his mantra

 

No I don’t see how that makes anyone look bad. It’s the Truth. As for Egypt we all know Egypt has Egyptian culture not African culture. When you think Egypt you think of a people that built pyramids, had slaves, and had an empire in the BC’s. When you think African nations like Kenya, South Africa, and those African countries that have predominantly black, not brown, but black people they are far from the advancements even the Egyptians made.

 

It's not the truth at all, ijust told you, Nimrod BUILT Iraq from the ground up, he was a black man with Egyptian ancestry.

Also you claim Egypt has a distinct culture from Africa, siting the pyramids. Well, Meroe, which is current day Sudan, also known as Nubia in antiquity, has more ancient pyramids than Egypt.

 

Powered by agriculture, ancient Sudan’s great civilizations thrived and erected mighty temples and tombs honoring their gods, kings, queens, and nobles. Their building boom left behind some 255 pyramids—more than twice the number Egypt constructed next door. -National geographic

 

You should have included, in your plan, engaging an interpreter of written text-- because if you consider me to have proved a double standard by the black community, writ large, then you have failed, on your own, in translating my reply. To quote it:

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The only double standard, is your own... Had you wished to make your point, of supposed hypocrisy, in an honest way, you could have admitted, "see, the things that blacks have complained about whites doing so often, for so long, they are now doing-- proving there is nothing wrong with it," for example. I still would have argued with your equating of this one instance, with all past instances of exclusion of black actors, but I would not then, have been able to fault you for being disingenuous-- as your complete ignoring of longtime white practices, in your OP, damningly evidences, here.
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So, I had mentioned, pointedly, that the two situations do not represent direct analogs. But based on your replies, thus far, I am not going to waste more time, presenting arguments to someone with no desire to consider them.

Once again, the most blatantly obvious, double standard, is your own. Your argument appears to be, that it is perfectly fine to do this; it just wasn't OK for blacks (or anyone else, in support of blacks), to criticize one group (whites) for doing this, and yet not criticize the idea of some other group's doing it. Does that about sum it up?

 

It reminds me a old joke from communist countries:
In Moscow museum a tour guide points to a photo of man and explain: this is Samochodov, a Russian inventor of gasoline car.
Point to another photo: this is Parov, Russian inventor of a steam engine.
Point to another photo: this is Radiov, Russian inventor of radio.
Point to another photo: this is Electricov, Russian inventor of electricity.
Tourists pass near a huge monument. Who is this man – they asked.
This is the greatest Russian inventor – he invented Samochodov,, Parov, Radiov and Electricov.

Esau – you are the greatest Black man and even greater racist fighter!

 

No it is not.

 

Wrong.

People everywhere depict jesus as like themselves. This includes Africans , Asians, and even women,

 

Ther is no such plank in this instance

 

It still was not historically accurate: Cleopatra was not purely of European blood. Yes, the Ptolemaic dynasty were of Macedonian descent, but they had intermarried with the rulers of much of West Asia, the Seleucid Dynasty, who had Persian & Sogdian Iranian ancestry. But I will give you, in this one case, a white actress comes closer to reality than does a black one. But you are cherry picking. There are so many other examples of whites playing non-white parts, that it is incredible that you would not be aware of it. I had even mentioned that there had been a film in which a character who, for the story, was specifically black, was still played by a white woman (because in this film about an "interracial" romance, I think, there was a kissing scene).

Below is a WaPo article-- "98 Times A White Actor Played Someone Who Wasn't White"-- specifically on this phenomenon. The 2016 article starts off, talking about how shocked people on the internet had been, to hear that "white guy" Joseph Fiennes had been slated to play Michael Jackson, in a TV movie about the pop icon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...a-white-actor-played-someone-who-wasnt-white/


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Hollywood has yet to wrap its mind around the fact that the ancient Middle East was not populated entirely by dashing white men with well-trimmed beards. It’s pretty well documented that the area was home to people with darker skin than, say, Richard Gere, Russell Crowe and Christian Bale, who’ve each taken a turn at playing a biblical hero (David, Noah and Moses, respectively). But here we are again, with “Gods of Egypt” set for release next month, and a slate of white actors is starring in a film about a place whose ancient inhabitants had brown skin and black hair.

That’s not to say Hollywood hasn’t learned anything over the years — as early as 1965, the New York Times was horrified when a British version of “Othello” featured Laurence Olivier in blackface, and everyone now agrees that Mickey Rooney’s prosthetic buckteeth were the worst thing about “Breakfast at Tiffany’s.”
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There is your plank--

More from the article:

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But even if Hollywood is having actors alter their physical appearance less than they used to, they’re not necessarily giving minority actors the opportunity to play minority roles. Instead, they’re making those roles white. Over a dozen times, Hollywood has taken source material (everything from real life to novels to Japanese anime) that featured people of color and turned it into movies starring white people. When the scripts get written, black Halmea is white Alma (“Hud,” 1963) and Hispanic Irina is lily-white Irene (“Drive,” 2011). These moves aren’t necessarily made to accommodate great acting talents...
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And a few of the highlights of their list of 98 famous instances of white actors, playing what, in America, would be minorities. Just to be clear: I perfectly understand the business logic behind such decisions, so did not issue any blanket condemnations. My comments were to Joe Knows, about his criticizing when it is a black actress, only, who is doing this, while acting as if it has not been common practice in Hollywood, even up to the present.

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“Winchester ’73,” 1950: Rock Hudson, a white actor of German, Swiss, English and Irish descent, played a Native American character named Young Bull, who delivered the memorable line, “All white men are thieves.” Of movie parts as well as land, apparently.

“Show Boat,” 1951: Ava Gardner played a mixed-race character who was passing as white, making her marriage to a white man both dangerous and illegal. Lena Horne, an actress who was actually mixed-race, was considered for the part but ultimately rejected due to discomfort over interracial love scenes.

“Othello,” 1952: One of literature’s most famous black characters is also one of the most commonly portrayed in blackface. But Orson Welles, who played the title character in this adaptation of the classic play, had the sense to skip the blackface in favor of a “mild bronzing.”

“Apache,” 1954: Just go ahead and guess what kind of character Burt Lancaster played here...
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In 1961, the list includes Natalie Wood, playing Puerto Rican "Maria," in West Side Story, as well as the earlier mentioned, offensively stereotyped Chinaman, played by Mickey Rooney, in Breakfast At Tiffany's, among others. The Lawrence Olivier's Othello, in blackface, was in 1965.

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“King of Kings,” 1961: White actor Jeffrey Hunter played Jesus in yet another biblical epic populated almost entirely by white folks playing characters of Middle Eastern descent.

“A Majority of One,” 1961: Alec Guinness, a white British actor, played Japanese businessman Koichi Asano.

“The Outsider,” 1961: Tony Curtis, a white actor of Hungarian descent, played Ira Hamilton Hayes, a Native American soldier creatively nicknamed “Chief.”

“Lawrence of Arabia,” 1962: Repeat offender Alec Guinness played the Arab Prince Faisal.

“The Face of Fu Manchu,” 1965: Before he was Saruman the White in the Lord of the Rings series, Christopher Lee was “an evil Chinese mastermind” with extravagant facial hair and suspiciously narrowed eyes. The actor would play Fu Manchu in numerous sequels.

“The Greatest Story Ever Told,” 1965: White actor Max von Sydow played Jesus.


“Stay Away, Joe,” 1968: Elvis Presley played Joe Lightcloud, a Native American character.

“The Party,” 1968: Peter Sellers, a white British actor, played the main character, an Indian man named Hrundi V. Bakshi, in brownface.

“The Wind and the Lion,” 1975: Sean Connery played Raisuli, a character who was loosely based on the real-life Mulai Ahmed er Raisuni, a sort of Moroccan Robin Hood figure...

“A Passage to India,” 1984: Alec Guinness (hi again!) played the Indian scholar Narayan Godbole.

“King David,” 1985: Richard Gere played David.

“Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins,” 1985: Joel Gray, a white guy from Cleveland, played Chiun, a Korean martial arts master.

“Delta Force,” 1986: Robert Forster played Abdul...

“Short Circuit,” 1986: White actor Fisher Stevens played Indian engineer Ben Jabituya.
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I'm just going to list, some others:

1988: The Last Temptation of Christ-- Willem Dafoe as Jesus.

1991: Not Without my Daughter. British- American Alfred Molina, as an abusive Iranian.

1993: Carlito's Way. Lisping Al Pacino, playing Puerto Rican.

1995: Father of the Bride, Part 2. Eugene Levy, as the Arab, Habib.

2000: Pay It Forward. Black teacher, in the book, changed to a white one, played by Kevin Spacey.

2003: The Human Stain. Anthony Hopkins plays black professor, who passes as white.

2004: The Passion of the Christ. Jim Caviezel played Jesus.

I am going to stop here, and pick up with 2005, in my next post. There is one more, in this group, though, that I thought worth quoting, in full, rather than just listing:

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“The House of the Spirits,” 1993: Winona Ryder, Meryl Streep, Vanessa Redgrave and Glenn Close played Blanca Trueba, Clara del Valle, Nivea del Valle and Ferula Trueba, respectively, in this adaptation of Isabel Allende’s novel. Despite being set in Chile and featuring characters who were supposedly of Latin American origin, the film’s only women of color played a prostitute, a rape victim and a nanny.

 

Please stop spreading White Jewish European misinformation. Thanks.

 

White society as a whole claims Jesus was white. Therefore they are racist since he was not white. Only white supremacists claim he was white. You just called all whites white supremacists lmao

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...claims-blackwashing-fundamentally-racist.html

The bitch is calling Egyptians racist.

Lol.

This is what happens when you coddle and placate and entire racial group. You end up with blatant and if orange arrogance.

Cleopatra was Greek or Egyptian. She was ****ing black. Every *******n historical depiction of her has her as not black.

Stop placating black people. This is only going to get worse and create hatred and segregation

 

She certainly wasn't black.

 

Yes it's clever to have negative publicity and the lowest ratings ever in the history of ratings.

 

She was mixed race. Being partly Egyptian also. Greek are not white, we are mixed race. Stay off topics you have no clue about. You have no skin in this game. You prolly think Greece is in China.

 

She wasn't black.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...audience-score-in-tv-history/?sh=27e614295391



All this does, is create hate and divide. If that's the goal, grats!

 

What a racist comment ... blahhh

 

She was beautiful and she FxxKed Julius Caesar .. Who cares what race or color she was ??
R.I.P

 

by today's standards she would be what we call black. Greeks are a mixed race, we aren't racist and have been mixing with Africans and Asians for millennia. We are the real cross roads, our national symbol is the Christian cross.

This may be hard for you Americans to understand since your hatred of black skin is evident given you history, therefore you are all racially pure because you don't mix with black folk. Greeks though are different that you lot.

 

Grate contribution!

Thanks American!

 

You do.