Why some Egyptians are fuming over Netflix's Black Cleopatra

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    They are africans
     
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    It is not highly probable at all

    Her lineager is well documented and she was overwhelmingly of macedonian or greek heritage.

    It is simple fact she was not black

    It is a long standing attempt to insert racist afro centricism into history. The false claim she was black has been thrown around for decades by fruadulent historians
     
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    You are free to believe racist White Jewish European conspiracy theories but don't expect anyone else to subscribe
     
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    And you are free to believe racist black African conspiracy theories but don't expect anyone else to subscribe
     
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    Yep the controversy only spans centuries

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra_race_controversy
    https://www.knowledgesnacks.com/articles/cleopatras-ethnicity/
     
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    The left specializes in their continual non-stop efforts to rewrite history.

    Just look at how they never apologized for slavery or fighting the civil Rights movements tooth and nail.

    They just projected it onto their political opposites.
    What a brilliant strategy instead of apologizing...
     
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    In making that charge, you do realize that you are also pleading guilty for whites doing the same thing, when they cast Elizabeth Taylor as the Queen of the Nile? And whites did it for a lot more roles than that-- even roles in modern stories of characters who were supposed to be black, in the story. This is such an over the top hypocrisy, for any white American to be voicing, that it cannot help but suggest that there is more than just the power of reason, at play, in your opinion.
     
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    Nor did Jesus appear as he has been depicted by white, European culture, through history-- like a white European-- which is how American cinema has generally portrayed him. And Moses, sure as hell, didn't look like Charlton Heston. You really should align yourself with the more consistent attitude-- if you do not fault white culture for doing this-- of distinguishing a fictionalized entertainment, from an historical documentary.

    The New Testament, by the way, describes Jesus's hair as being like "wool"-- that is, nappy-- and his skin tone as being like "burnished bronze (which ain't white)." Granted, this is not in one of the gospels, but in the fantastical writings of the book of Revelation, which I do not take literally, or even all that seriously-- but I am not Christian. If you are, you might want to think of switching to Eastern Orthodox, the only denomination that doesn't include it. I had thought
    that Protestants rejected revelation, but apparently that is no longer true (it had included in Martin Luther's 16th century Bible, but with the status of being a "disputed Book"):

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    For many scholars, Revelation 1:14-15 offers a clue that Jesus's skin was a darker hue and that his hair was woolly in texture. The hairs of his head, it says, "were white as white wool, white as snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined as in a furnace.”Feb 20, 2019
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    What Did Jesus Look Like? - The History Channel
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    Protestant Reformation
    As of 2015, Revelation remains the only New Testament book not read in the Divine Liturgy of the Eastern Orthodox Church, though Catholic and Protestant liturgies include it.
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    Book of Revelation - Wikipedia
     
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    Revelations describes his haird as LIek the hair of a lamb. That is not the same as wool but easily be refering to the color, Most lambs have white fur. It descibes his hands and feet as bronze without the adjective of burnished. It also descrbes his eyes as flame. Cearly this was not refering to the earthly human jesus.

    The claim about white jesus in films is true but alspo irrelevant and contradictory. ALL races depict jesus as one of their own not just whites.

    Wheever you have people believing in this guy they will have artists depicting him as similar to themselves. It is not some thing unique to whites.
     
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    It is not hypocrisy at all

    She was greel not black and greeks are european making Taylor closer in appearance than others

    Nor was that casting choice done for racist reasons.
     
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    Oh, thanks for telling me what I already knew. Claiming Jesus as white is like claiming Jesus as black. Both are moronic statements. Middle eastern people are not white, nor are they black it’s a geographical fact.
     
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    Which is like saying that the meso American civilization was white with blue eyes (because that's what Americans look like today).

    Logic FAIL!
     
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    However that region has never been concurred by Europeans or Africans have they. Which makes the odds a geographical fact
     
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    What makes you believe her race didn’t play a part in the casting choice?
     
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    What’s hypocritical is blacks whining about culture appropriation while they actively also take part. If they can complain about it while doing it why can’t we? Give a damn brake. Do you hold different standards for different races?
     
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    Casting Taylor was simply based on getting the biggest star at the time
     
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    Very well could have been
     
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    Lmao, you mean Israel/Palestine, THE MOST CONQUERED (that's how you spell it) region on earth?

    That place? the one Romans, Greeks, Babylonians, assyrians, ottomans and khazarians all colonized over the course of history.
     
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    That was not the reason for my pointing this out to you-- that I didn't think you had a sense of this. My point is that what is being done with the black Cleopatra is NO DIFFERENT from what HAS ALWAYS BEEN DONE. The only difference, is that there are exceedingly few instances, in which the racial switch has been in favor of a black actor. To the contrary, white actors have even played the roles of characters who are supposed to be black, in their stories. White culture has done what you are labelling "cultural appropriation," more thousands of times, than I could count. Yet, I have not read you, at any rate, ever accusing white society, of this offense. So it seems like the 400 lb. man, eating his second dinner of the night, of a 10oz. steak, and a 3 lb. lobster, who is pointing an incriminating finger at the skinny person, he notices taking an extra roll, from the buffet.

    IOW, it is an issue of your CONSISTENCY, on this issue. One could easily get the impression, that you are fine with white culture doing this, but only have a problem with it, when you notice black culture mimicking the behavior. What contributes to giving this impression, is your failure to even mention the long, white history of this practice, in your OP, which is written as if this is one of the first times you are aware of such a thing happening.
     
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    On the contrary, I would be fine with blacks playing as white people. However, they have been the ones vocal about culture appropriation so I myself am pointing out that they are all for it as well. They can’t claim to be against it then do it as well. You’re however very fine with the double standard it seems and are showing it quite well.
     
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    And I never claimed that it was, unique to whites. Funny, that you had so misread that idea into my post, that you repeated back exactly my own point, to me. It is the implied view of the OP, however, that this one, highly unusual, instance in which the change is to a black actor, is noteworthy in itself, for its egregious "cultural appropriation." Without its mentioning the reality, which you echo back, from my own post, this thread writer's perspective, then, evokes the image of one pointing to a splinter in another's eye, while ignoring the plank, in his own.
     
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    One could make the argument that Europeans may have conquered (thanks for the correction) those areas but no African country ever has. Romans were so vast I wouldn’t call them solely Europeans. But if you want to include them as European then I suppose my statement could be wrong.
     
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    maybe because you can't conquer yourself. :no:
     
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    The only double standard, is your own, as you have clearly been irritated enough by the charges of white cultural appropriation of black culture, to lead you to write this thread's OP. That does not excuse your failure to mention the great preponderance of instances, of white culture doing this. Had you wished to make your point, of supposed hypocrisy, in an honest way, you could have admitted, "see, the things that blacks have complained about whites doing so often, for so long, they are now doing-- proving there is nothing wrong with it," for example. I still would have argued with your equating of this one instance, with all past instances of exclusion of black actors, but I would not then, have been able to fault you for being disingenuous-- as your complete ignoring of longtime white practices, in your OP, damningly evidences, here.
     
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