Why was the 2009 pandemic not taken ANYWHERE NEAR as seriously as COVID-19?

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your theory is laughably one dimensional.
     
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    We've opposed their Fake News Lies, both ways:

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    Which is 3 dimensions beyond yours.
     
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    When did democrats say that Trump didn't make his travel ban soon enough?
     
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    What I recall is that almost the entire media was talking about how bad the coronavirus was and how much they supported a lockdown.

    On March 9, Trump said:
    “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-statements-about-the-coronavirus/

    Here is the left-wing media response from that very day:
    https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/wat...-flu-here-s-why-that-s-a-bad-idea-80376389777
     
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    How much more can I point out the responses like you posted were determined by the level of Trump derangement. PMSNBC's got it bad.
     
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    Democrats didn't withdraw their bill to overturn Trump's Travel Ban until March 12.

    To claim that they were in full throated support of lockdown while they were still pushing a bill in Congress to overturn Trump's ability to ban travel is Fake News.

    House Democrat leaders on Thursday withdrew from the calendar a floor vote on a bill targeting President Trump’s travel restrictions.

    The bill targeted the legal authority that enabled Trump to move quickly last month to deny entry to any foreign national who has visited China in the 14 days prior to arrival.

    Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) – allowed the president to expand that restriction to apply to 26 European countries in the Schengen zone.

    At a coronavirus-focused House Homeland Security Committee hearing on March 11, Rep. Dan Bishop (R-N.C.) asked Ken Cuccinelli, acting Deputy Homeland Security Secretary, about the importance of Section 212(f) in the response to the outbreak.

    “We’re voting tomorrow on this political NO BAN Act, to restrict the president’s use of 212(f) authority,” he said. “Didn’t the president use 212(f) authority here in order to have an early intervention to stop Chinese folks, nationals from coming in in a way that’s helped the response to this?”​

    “That’s exactly what he used,” Cuccinelli replied. “It was available to use quickly, at the advice of the White House coronavirus taskforce, and it has been effective.”​

    “Would it have been a problem if that authority had been limited or restrained?” Bishop asked.​

    “There is no question that the use of that authority has bought us time,” Cuccinelli said. “And you’ve heard from both Dr. Redd and I, various ways that we have used that time in the federal government, and our partners in local and state government have used that time, to be better prepared as this virus advances.”​

    Dr. Stephen Redd, the CDC’s deputy director for public health service and implementation science, also testified.

    After the scheduled vote was removed from the calendar, Bishop tweeted,

    “So, Dems have decided not to put the #NoBanAct on the floor after all. They know that @realDonaldTrump’s decision (and power) to ban flights from China (and now Europe) has saved lots of American lives.”​

    In a statement of policy, the White House argued that the president’s authority to restrict travel into the U.S. “has been central to the Administration’s ongoing efforts to safeguard the American people against the spread of COVID-19.”

    At a minimum, it said, the legislation “would cause dangerous delays that threaten the safety, security, and health of the American people.”

    The statement said Trump’s advisors would recommend that he veto the NO Ban Act if it reaches his desk.

    So, even if passed this was going nowhere because Trump was going to veto it. These are the kinds of meaningless games Democrats were playing all along. From impeaching him in January, to tearing up his speech in February, to trying to limit his authority to ban travel in March.

    On Feb 24, Pelosi went into China town, and invited crowds to join her in celebrating Chinese New Year. 3 weeks later, that county and every county adjoining it would be in shelter-in-place lockdown.

    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi toured San Francisco's Chinatown Monday to send a message. She said there's no reason tourists or locals should be staying away from the area because of coronavirus concerns.

    "Everything is fine here," Pelosi said. "All I can say is, 'I’m here.' We feel safe and sound, so many of us coming here."

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    its simple if we dont shut down it will be 1 million dead, its 10-30 time more leathal than flu, and twice more contiguous
     
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    Some of the dems were way wrong about locking down the border. But they were right about the lockdown and testing.
     
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    The S-I-P were by governors, WA and CA did it early, and did it well, and both have Democrat Gov. Most of the States handled this far better than expected, as did the American People, so, I think a lot of people are doing a very good job. Pelosi and De Blasio deliberately urging crowds for Chinese New years, urging mass transit use in NYC, well, NYC now has the highest infection rate in the world, hard to describe that as "well-handled".

    The testing was a fiasco. The Bureaucracy meets the horsemen of the apocalypse and it's a wipe out. All the decades of being told that we were fully prepared for a biowarfare attack and they don't have masks, protective wear, ventilators or an adequate supply of disinfectant?

    We close all the public operations and toilet paper suppliers can't move their supply chains to supermarkets?

    We have no adequate domestic supply of even bleach?

    Once this is over, there are a number of very frank and honest conversations that need to be held much better preparation needs to be in place.

    As for living through a plague, I always figure it would be more difficult, but, we are probably the first generation to endure one with take out food, internet and netflix.
     
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    So Biden people say he wasn't referring to the China Travel ban to stop the Corona virus, really?

    "We have, right now, a crisis with the coronavirus," said Biden, who is in Iowa campaigning before the Midwestern farm state holds Democrats' first nominating contest on Monday. "This is no time for Donald Trump's record of hysteria and xenophobia - hysterical xenophobia - and fear mongering to lead the way instead of science."

    So we are supposed top believe Biden was talking about the Corona Virus, then stripped a gear in his head and all of a sudden started talking about Trump being xenophobia. If that's true he isn't cognizant enough to be President.
     
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    If that's true then you shouldn't vote for Biden, he was against the travel ban for China.
     
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    So you're aware of ZERO left wing media outlets who called it the flu?
     
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    You don't think his hacks would have been motivated to lie to protect themselves?
     
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    What information are you thinking that they accepted?

    You're totally confused. You're making the argument about why Trump didn't get indicted for Obstruction of Justice. When it came to conspiracy with Russia, Muller made it most clear:

    "Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

    It really is just so blatantly clear man. If Mueller "did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government",
    then how on earth could Trump have been indicted for it even if the DOJ/OLC memo did not exist? In which case, there would be absolutely nothing in the way of
    prosecuting a sitting President. You're really going to have to try better, but I'll be absolutely STUNNED if you can!

    Oh. I'm sorry, has there been an investigation of Epstein in which the investigation did not establish the crimes that he was accused of? He was of course found guilty in the past for things, but I assume that you mean the more recent accusations. Nice try!
     
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    Interesting. What about the possibility that he spoke so well about China in an effort to downplay the virus?
     
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    Are you talking about this memo which has been revealed?

    Depends what specifically you're referring to.
     
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    Can you name ONE SINGLE positive thing that he has done? This could REALLY test your bias! You seem like an honest leftist, so I'm not expecting a big fat NO.
     
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    Earlier you referred to the "HHS watchdog" who conducted the report on hospitals. In the same post, you provided a source which was headlined, "Trump slams watchdog report on hospitals engulfed by coronavirus." Slam generally not meaning got rid of. So I assume that you don't mean that he got rid of the HHS watchdog, just the one looking over the stimulus. Anyway, before commenting, I would need to know what reason was given for the dismissal and why you are critical of it.
     
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    And you agree that Trump cannot be blamed for the debt SPECIFICALLY incurred by the Chinese virus?
     
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    If you are speculating about that, why don't you ask him?

    (Don't trust him to tell you the truth, of course. He lies a lot - especially about what he claims to know.)
     

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