Why we see so many pro-Palestinian demonstrations?

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  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    Well I'm not sure why you call rabbinal led Judaism a "cult", are you pissed off they didn't continue the sacrificial temple system after the temple was destroyed?

    And what is it about non-Jews telling Jews how to be Jews? Just spitballing here, but I bet Jews know a lot more about how to be a Jew than I do.
     
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    why should I accommodate the 1%?
     
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    Of course, when one semite is a muslim and the other a jew.
     
  4. Bob Newhart

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    I'll go through these one at a time.

    In 1978, there was no internet and the U.S. was siding with the natives to kick out the invading Soviets. Casualties were not 1.5-2.3 million.

    One of the problems with Wikipedia scholars is that they like to cut and paste without actually critically reading or understanding the material.
     
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    Could they have? Can they now? Israel would allow that?

    Really? You blame Palestinian children for not overthrowing and controlling terrorist warlords?
     
  6. Bob Newhart

    Bob Newhart Well-Known Member

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    Civil war started in 1981 and the U.S. was not involved. U.S. involvement did not happen until 1992 when the U.N. approved a peacekeeping mission led by the U.S. which landed in 1993. After a military mission based on bad intelligence caused the U.S. to kill its allied leaders in Somalia, the population turned against the U.S. peacekeepers and and can watch the rest of that flop in Blackhawk Down. The U.S. left but still was able to guide the country to its current peaceful situation.

    The U.S. never attempted to steal the private property of Somalians, nor did the U.S. purposefully target their cities for destruction, nor mass murder babies and children.

    The internet was still at a stage where everything was text and photos were only being experimented with.

    Most of the Somalian deaths which you list occurred outside of the U.S. intervention or due to starvation which is why the U.N. approved the mission.
     
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  7. Bob Newhart

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    This is an internal conflict which doesn't even include the government of Nigeria. The U.S. is not involved in supplying arms to the belligerents. The U.S. did have the online "return our girls" thingy which had moderate support but overall, the death toll was gradual over a long period of time. Numerous individual groups are involved but protesting one of this would be more silly than protesting MS-13.

    Protesting every Ted Bundy in a massive way is just silly.
     
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    Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure you even know what you're talking about.

    I have more Jewish genes than 90% of those who claim to be Jews today. What is it about basic Jewish history that makes you think you know anything about it? Do all Jews look alike to you? Are you going to get extra ice cream in Heaven for pretending to be a supporter of All Things Jewish? Sorry, but we do fine without the support of the ignorant.

    You don't know much about the Temple, either.
     
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  9. Bob Newhart

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    Once again you don't have actual casualty figures for those killed by U.S. bombs and military gear.

    The internet had just begun at this point and despite that, huge numbers of people did in fact protest that war. News is still being filtered through corporate media. Digital cameras are still relatively new. There were some independent media sources like the drudge report at this point but most everyone got their daily dose of propaganda from the idiot box.
     
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    this one's pretty easy. Lack of media caused most people in the U.S. and other places to not even know this happened. For the most part mostly militants were killed and Pakistan did not target children and babies. In addition, once again - not a war of settler colonization.
     
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    Once again U.S. is not involved. Boku Haram were the only ones targeting children. And of course you're using inflated casualty estimates. and once again, no on needs to protect MS-13. It's silly.
     
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    @zalekbloom

    After going through all these, I've come to realization that you don't understand why protests exist in the first place.

    People don't protest governments when they are doing what they are suppose to do. People don't protest their government because they agree with everything the government is doing. That's silly. They protest the government when the government is doing something the people disagree with.

    At other times people may want to support a government by promoting an action through a "protest" which really isn't a protest in that case. A lot of times, demonstrations are actually support by a government.

    Many other times, people may protest simply to get the message out about what is happening.

    So, add the fact that many do not like what the U.S. government is doing in addition to the feeling that a lot of the older people are clueless about what is going on and you've got the primary motivations for a protest.

    A better question is "Why did no one in the U.S. protest the Naqba?"

    And the answer is simple.

    1. No one* knew about it.
    2. The U.S. was not supplying either side with weapons.

    In fact most older U.S. citizens still believe the myth that when the righteous and devout Jews started to peacefully set up their government, the evil Arabs who only numbered a couple dozen ran to the nearby Arab countries to sneak attack the peaceful righteous Jews with an army numbering millions supplied with the latest weapons from Stalin. The Jews, with the help of God, managed to defend themselves using homemade weapons and farming implements. The glorious Jews managed to drive back the Arabs back to their countries for none of them were native to what has always been called Israel. However, the kind and compassionate Jews graciously gave some of their hard fought land to the foreign Arabs in the form of the West Bank and Gaza strip. Jews even let the foreigner Arabs to immigrate to Israel which never have farms or olive trees or any other cultivation before the Jews returned. The entire country was a barren desert until the ingenious Jews made the desert bloom.

    Yep. Versions of the about claptrap were told to U.S. citizens around the states and primarily in so-called Christian Churches. I still read posts from people on this forum repeating versions of this myth.

    Propaganda was successful and people in the U.S. didn't even know there was something they should be protesting. To the U.S. citizen everything in Israel was a utopia and we weren't supplying weapons anyway so why get involved?

    The protests against Israel have been long coming and the internet, Tik Tok, X as well as higher literacy among the young have caused this to happen.

    *portions were printed in the NYT somewhere around page 30 , so "no one" is a relative term.
     
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    Rubbish. The Ottomans were fine with Jews displacing the local in Palestine since 1869, when the first Russian Aliyahs were sanctioned by them. Just because the Brits came along 40-50 years later didn't suddenly endow Arabs with special rights to genocide Jews out of Palestine, and as I said earlier even with British support and leadership the Arab armies lost, they were little more than mobs of bandits and murderers with no real interest in anything but looting, not any grand sense of rescuing other Arabs from da evul joos.

    And lol at the alleged 'higher literacy' among the young. That was some seriously funny stuff right there.
     
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  14. Zorro

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    I can spot hate though, and I'm not a fan. I'll leave how to be properly Jewish to the Jews. I have my hands more than full just dealing with my own character flaws.
     
  15. Bob Newhart

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    Immigration is not the same as settler colonization.
    The British neither supported nor led any army against Israel.
    Your post has gone a long way to support my assertion.
     
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  16. Bob Newhart

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    Umm, no. I guess someone can called themselves a Christian and honor Jews, but it is definitely not part of Christianity. In fact, quite the opposite.
    No, the wording in the Quran is very specific. Fight them until they give up and agree to pay taxes to you.
    Not quite.

    Here's a passage quoting Jesus,

    John 8:42-47 NRSV
    Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now I am here. I did not come on my own, but he sent me. [43] Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot accept my word. [44] You are from your father the devil, and you choose to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. [45] But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. [46] Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? [47] Whoever is from God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear them is that you are not from God."

    Yep, there you have it. According to Jesus, Jews who reject him are Sons of Satan.

    Read'er and weep.

    What binds Israel and U.S. together is the settler colony society which is shared. They difference being the U.S. depopulated a relatively small native population over a vast amount of territory while Israel is depopulating a relatively huge population from a very tiny amount of territory. The population the U.S. was displacing were still in the stone age when we arrived. While the population Israel is replacing was a relatively modern society.
     
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    lol there is no hate in my posts re Jews; you're just trolling.
     
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    Never said it was; I said they were legitimate citizens of the region, invited in by the govt.

    lol completely ignorant of history.

    lol sure it did. Now take the meds the nice nurse is bringing you.
     
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    lol more rubbish.

    'Depopulation':

    original Arab population of Palestine: 300,000

    Current population: 5.3 million in Gaza and the West Bank, 1.7 million in the 1948 territories.

    Most incompetent 'genocide' in world history by the evil Jews, eh?
     
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    Depopulate does not mean genocide.

    The Native American population has greatly increased in the U.S. That does not mean that the U.S. did not depopulate vast amounts of territory of Native Americans in the U.S.

    The original population of Palestine- not including members of the Jewish religion was 1,324,000.
     
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    With the Youtube giving out money for videos. The activist needs to have demonstrations to film to make the videos to get the money from youtube.
     
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    Pro-Palestinians are not making money from Youtube.
     
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    No, it wasn't, but this board loves lying propagandists, so you just keep being you. BS is safe here.
     
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    That would be anti Jewish. Unless you're calling the Arab a selfhater
     
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    What you quoted was, in context, spoken to Jewish leaders who were on their way to crucify Him. Actually, anyone, not just Jews that rejects the "provision" that Jesus has made through Christ, are sons of Satan. That would include probably a large majority of the Democrat Party in the U.S. You selectively quote one scripture but fail to mention the Promises of God made to Israel. There is far too much to discuss here to explore this further but for you to simplify it with one quote taken out of context is not right.
     

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