Why we see so many pro-Palestinian demonstrations?

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    Nope, for religious reasons. You can't understand Hamas if you don't understand Islam.

    (1) Why Does Allah Let This Happen? | - Nouman Ali Khan - YouTube
     
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    Why we see so many pro-Palestinian demonstrations?


    Because not everyone has been brainwashed.
     
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    Hold on Yabber The question is do you understand what collective punishment is .. not collateral damage .. although the two are related in some ways ... so please tell us how these two are related .. and when "collateral damage" rises to the level of "Collective Punishment" .. and becomes a war crime .. not that collateral damage is not normally a war crime .but .. when is it for sure a War crime .. Please tell us friend :)

    and there were no enemies hiding under the sandbox .. and nor would the dog have done any good if there were .. pathetic apology for the Hamas Dogs biting the children. .. clearly unbeknownst to thyself even what side of the fence you are on .. so deep in the weeds...
     
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    They have a different culture. I used "first world" in quotes to denote the colonial nature of developed countries such as the US and all OECD countries. Yet, the history of these countries far outweighs and outlasts our history, which we are relatively newcomers. Again, we are oppressing women with certain states that oppress women's healthcare. We, the US, also oppress certain groups for political reasons, and for religious reasons. We have pastors calling for the death of LGBTQ people including gender dysphoria, aka "gender confusion", and one known conservative politician who liked the Nigerian policy about gays that includes the death penalty. So much for your version of "Christianity" here. And the GOP is slowly teaching its members to "hate" groups that it does not like which is why Trump is so popular when he says things like "getting rid of vermin" who are his political enemies or "immigrants are poisoning the blood of our nation." These statements are very similar to what Hamas says and does to a great extent. You can dismiss it politically, but if a candidate says this and his MEGA voters agree with these statements, eventually, it will be acted upon if Trump gets into office. The point is our society is not so different than what is happening in Gaza. Hamas is the GOP there, full monty version.

    If you think they are "monkees," they are not. We did this with the Japanese during WW2. Our propaganda made the Japanese look like aliens with weird customs. But it was all wrong, as history proves and we gained more understanding. And that is what you lack, understanding of the situation. What happened on October 7th cannot be excused, but it can be explained. It is not as simple as you might think because nothing in life is. That's where the problem lies. There are no innocents in the land of Palestine/Israel here. Israel is just as guilty to the whole situation as Hamas is. So, why would you join the IDF when Israel, the government, is just as guilty as Hamas? Second, IDF does not accept foreigners. Certain Jews, ultra-orthodox, are not required to join the IDF in conscription service. Neither are Arab Israelis or Israeli Christians. They don't want you.

    Your whole post was one big emotionalism with no forethought whatsoever.
     
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    Some are still there, and Christians have been diminished in Israel, who pretty much don't like the Likuid Party and are generally the ones who support the Two Party state such as the Oslo Accords proposed. But they are treated also as second-class citizens within Israel since Israel gives preference to the Jewish faith. Christians can come to visit, but it is damn hard, almost impossible for any Christian to move there.
     
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    I would say collateral damage is when people are mistakenly killed in the crossfire, and collective punishment is when they are deliberately targeted or concern for them is disregarded.

    Collateral damage is something you regret whereas collective punishment is something you justify by saying things like Israeli regime has been saying and we have been reading here, such as that Palestinians were warned or all support Hamas and are not innocent, etc.
     
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    the brainwashed ones are demonstrating in favor of Jihad
     
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    Do you understand Israel if you aren't Jewish? I understand that Hamas is a terrorist group and needs to be eliminated as a force hostile to Israel
     
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    Considering they are the only place safe for Jews, Christians, atheists, Americans, gays, and non-Muslims, they deserve it. I stand with Israel because I know the difference between right and wrong. They are not the ones raping, kidnapping, murdering, and mutilating people.
     
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    Christians do much better with Israel than do Muslims as in this country. Can you admit to that?
     
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    You cannot seem to admit that efforts have been made to get citizens out of the way. When you find weapons of war hidden in the "citizens hospitals" you begin to understand how this enemy operates. Their whole strategy has been, from the beginning as we were warned, to prolong the conflict until the weak in the knees leftists cry for cease fire due to civilian casualties. These are casualties the enemy clamoured for! Their own citizens! Now this system needs to be destroyed!
     
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    Muslims do quite well in this country too. We have a thriving Iranian Muslim community where I live where some are local business leaders in their fields. Christians are tied to Israel because of our faith, nothing more. And Muslims are also tied to that land because of their faith as well. But in Israel, Arabs and Christians are treated with suspicion, especially by the ultra-right-wing religious nuts in Israel. That is why there is sectarian violence by Israelis in the West Bank but Israel does nothing about it, which is adding fumes to the fire with Hamas.
     
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    We do not oppress women that is ridiculous. When you say women's "healthcare" you mean "abortion". The atrocity there is you promote the idea of "child sacrifice" no different than that done by the ancient Babylon's or Mayan/Aztec culture. Sacrifice to the god of convenience.

    I am a Christian and follow all news related to my faith. This is the first time I've heard of this and you make it the rule rather than the very minute exception. Anyone calling for the death of the gender confused is not Christian. The gender confused are merely sinners just like everyone of us. The only difference is, many of them "glory in it".

    We are at war. Not a racial war. It is appropriate to dehumanize the enemy we must eliminate so that peace can reign.

    Then you explain it. Excuse it, whatever. There is a job that has to be done.

    Your whole post must be dismissed as well by any rationale being that desires peace.
     
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    I haven't heard of any Christians being massacred anywhere in the world by Jews. I know that there have been mass murderers of Christians in Muslim controlled areas. Christians are persecuted in Iran and Iraq, as well as Libya, Nigeria and other countries

    https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/c...-highlighted-new-report-people-seriously-hurt
     
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    Of yes there are! When leaflets were dropped by the millions by Israel telling civilians to evacuate, Hamas did everything it could to make them stay in the "sandbox". Weapons and combatants stored under the sandbox....do you deny? Do you deny the Holocaust?
     
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    You realize the Jews were tied to that land thousands of years before Muslims even had a faith?
     
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    That's because Christians are the main donors to Israeli state. It would be biting the hand that feeds you and would be the end of the state of Israel if Christians turned against them, were they to start massacring Christians.
     
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    You imply that Jews desire to massacre Christians? What a joke. Christians honor Jews as being the physical ancestors of their Savior. Muslims in their texts want to destroy Jews and Christians as "infidels". The moral tenets of faith between Christians and Jews are what binds them.
     
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    Christians are using Jewish ppl in order to destabilise the region and drive a wedge between the Islamic world.

    Jewish ppl hate Christians and Christ but won't go so far as to start massacring them because christians are their sugar daddy. It would be like biting off the hand that is feeding you, not a smart move for such a dependent state.
     
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    What a mindless message. Israel is not cleansing their land like the rest of the region.
     
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    so if one is a Christian or perceived as Being a Christian, we should support Israel and oppose groups that kill Christians? works for me
     
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    really? I had a Jewish girlfriend in Law school. we are still close friends. My suite mate was a Jewish guy-his girlfriend was an Irish Catholic. Islamists have been hateful of Jews, Christians and just about anyone who isn't a Muslim
     
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    The Jewsih demographics of Israelis is a lot different than the Jewish demographics of the U.S. many Orthodox and especially the ultra-Orthodox and Hasidim are extremely racist, and go Nazis one better in their Master Race theology in considering 'goyim' to not be humans at all but merely animals God uses to reward or punish Jews with. These are the demographics Netanyahu was trying to install on Court benches in Israel and caused all the riots. All Jews are not alike, but many Christians are ignorant and think they will get extra ice cream in Heaven or something if they mindlessly defend anything some Jew somewhere says. But, these type are only about 15 % or so of the Jews in Israel, and their lunacy doesn't make the other 85% guilty of anything but defending themselves from feral Arab vermin, so relative to Gaza and Hamas and their employers they aren't an issue.

    My grandparents on my father's side were Conservative Jews, not to be confused with American Conservatism, but theologically. Anybody who reads the Jewish Press will find criticisms of these lunatic Jewish sects to be pretty common, so don't let Jewish bigots make you censor yourself from genuine criticisms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Judaism

    "Conservative Judaism (known as Masorti Judaism outside North America) is a Jewish religious movement that regards the authority of Jewish law and tradition as emanating primarily from the assent of the people through the generations, more than from divine revelation. It therefore views Jewish law, or Halakha, as both binding and subject to historical development. The conservative rabbinate employs modern historical-critical research, rather than only traditional methods and sources, and lends great weight to its constituency, when determining its stance on matters of practice. The movement considers its approach as the authentic and most appropriate continuation of Halakhic discourse, maintaining both fealty to received forms and flexibility in their interpretation. It also eschews strict theological definitions, lacking a consensus in matters of faith and allowing great pluralism.[1]

    While regarding itself as the heir of Rabbi Zecharias Frankel's 19th-century positive-historical school in Europe,[2] Conservative Judaism fully institutionalized only in the United States during the mid-20th century. Its largest center today[when?] is in North America, where its main congregational arm is the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, and the New York–based Jewish Theological Seminary of America operates as its largest rabbinic seminary.[3] Globally, affiliated communities are united within the umbrella organization Masorti Olami. Conservative Judaism is the third-largest Jewish religious movement worldwide, estimated to represent close to 1.1 million people, including over 600,000 registered adult congregants and many non-member identifiers."
     
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    Not sure how you interpreted my post to mean that :confuse:
     

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