Why we see so many pro-Palestinian demonstrations?

Thesis is: the only reason we see so many pro-Palestinian demonstrations, because Gaza was attacked by a Jewish country.

According to the world wide famous Hamas statisticians as of today there are about 20 thousands dead civilians in Gaza, which make Israeli army the worst army in the world – after more than 2 months of fighting they didn’t succeed to kill even one Hamas fighter – they kill only civilians.

Lets assume that the number of killed civilians is 30 thousand and let see if civilian causalities of more than 30 thousand civilians was causing the same size demonstrations when the killers were not Jewish.

The data is taken from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

1978 Afghan conflict – casualties 1.5 – 2.3 million, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

1991 – Somali civil war - casualties 350 thousands - 1 million, not demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations

1998 – Communal conflicts in Nigeria – casualties more than 95 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2003 – Iraqi conflict - – casualties 330 thousands 1.2 million, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2004 - Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhw - – casualties 46 – 61 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2008 – Sudanese nomadic conflict - – casualties 387-400 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2009 – Boko Haram insurgency – casualties 368 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2011 – Syrian civil war – casualties 580-613 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2014 – Yemeni civil war – casualties 377 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2018 – Ethiopian civil conflict – casualties 177-600 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.


2023 – Israel responds on Palestinian attack were Palestinians murdered, raped and kidnapped Israelis, including children, women and old people – which starts world wide pro-Palestinians demonstrations, and heads of some ivy league American colleges declare that calling for genocide of Jews is not a thread, because it depends on context.


Therefore, we have successfully shown that the only reason we see so many pro-Palestinian demonstrations is because Gaza was attacked by a Jewish country.

 

We saw pro Israeli demonstrations when Israeli civilians were attacked. Now it's Palestinian civilians who are being attacked.

Here's a thought: maybe people just don't like civilians being attacked.

 

I mean pretty much this. We can argue who is responsible for such and such all day, but the reality is you will get protestors/supporters for just about any war. One man's enemy is another man's hero.

 

I don't recall ever seeing any major protest supporting a war in this country.

 

The US invasion of Iraq caused massive rallies in the USA and Europe.

 

The only reason Gaza was attacked by a Jewish Country was because it's governing force committed atrocities on innocent Jewish citizens. They can talk a big game in their demonstrations but in the end, they better not tease the dog too much!

 

Why you didn't read my proof? I just showed that when civilians being attacked by non Jews nobody gives a damn, so let me repeat it:
The data is taken from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

1978 Afghan conflict – casualties 1.5 – 2.3 million, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

1991 – Somali civil war - casualties 350 thousands - 1 million, not demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations

1998 – Communal conflicts in Nigeria – casualties more than 95 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2003 – Iraqi conflict - – casualties 330 thousands 1.2 million, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2004 - Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhw - – casualties 46 – 61 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2008 – Sudanese nomadic conflict - – casualties 387-400 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2009 – Boko Haram insurgency – casualties 368 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2011 – Syrian civil war – casualties 580-613 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2014 – Yemeni civil war – casualties 377 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.

2018 – Ethiopian civil conflict – casualties 177-600 thousands, not the same size demonstrations as pro-Palestinians demonstrations.


2023 – Israel responds on Palestinian attack were Palestinians murdered, raped and kidnapped Israelis, including children, women and old people – which starts world wide pro-Palestinians demonstrations, and heads of some ivy league American colleges declare that calling for genocide of Jews is not a thread, because it depends on context.

 

BLM protests were much bigger than the anti-Israel protests.

 

The protests aren’t advocating Palestinians find safe refuge outside of Gaza. They only advocate the protection of Hamas from Israeli attacks, and until then, they are quite happy for Palestinians to stay in their place and die.

 

I am obviously talking about military groups attacking civilians. People tend to not like that. Civilians attacking military groups... they don't hate so much.

Just don't use military might to attack civilians if you're that concerned about protests. Easy as that!

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but people DO tend to support the weaker side.

OP says: "Thesis is: the only reason we see so many pro-Palestinian demonstrations, because Gaza was attacked by a Jewish country."

That makes no sense. I provided an alternative explanation that is way more credible and realistic.

 

There are no civilians in Gaza. They support Hamas and other militant organizations against Israel. They do not believe Israel has the right to exist. They do not support a two state solution because they refuse to acknowledge Israel as a state. And, they are very much involved in helping Hamas in any way they can, including holding hostages for Hamas and letting Hamas use their homes, churches, schools, and hospitals as Hamas infrastructure.

 

Yes, I know people DO tend to support the weaker side - except in the cases I showed.

Yes, I see the point I tried to make is very complicated one, but I am afraid I cannot make it simpler. Sorry...

 

Let me help you. The point you are trying to make is very simple: You're claiming that people protest because they hate Jews and/or love terrorists. But you didn't state it like that because it becomes obvious that it's nonsense! They don't!

People protest because a military power is killing innocent civilians. The more difference between the military power and the civilians, the stronger the protests. They aren't TARGETTING civilians. But the general perception is that they are not taking many precautions to avoid civilian deaths. Maybe they're wrong. But that is the perception.

Now... a more relevant debate is WHY they perceive that. Well... they perceive it because Israel has a warmonger as head of state. Because Israeli soldiers have killed hostages. People protest against the things that CAN change. Hamas is a terrorist group that TARGETS civilians. That's not going to change no matter how much you protest. But Israel CAN change. So lives can be saved.

None of this has to do with protesters hating "Jews", like you intended to claim at first. It has to do with saving lives. The way they want to accomplish this may be right or it may be wrong. But THAT is what they seek. The narrative I've heard from Israeli officials to justify avoidable deaths is "Oh... they hate Jews. And they love terrorists". Stop it! That's not true!

 

If you chant for a cease fire you HATE Jews plain and simple. You obviously can’t like Jews if you expect them to just allow their own people to die over and over and not respond. If Israel can’t fight back they DIE. You can’t like people you want DEAD! Or that person is too stupid to understand the conflict and just parrots what others are saying which makes them ignorant morons.

If you chant “from the river to the sea” that’s the same as putting on a white hood or holding swastikas. Same evil ****. Anyone who doesn’t understand this is not my FRIEND. Sorry.

 

Straight out of the Pallywood playbook. They attack innocent civilians and hide behind their own women and children so that they have images they can use to play the victim. These demonstrators see the Palestinians as victims of Israel when they are really victims of their own leadership.

When Israel is attacked, they move women and children into shelters. When terrorists attack Israel, they shelter behind women and children.

 

Unfortunately you didn’t help me, maybe you didn’t read my post, so let me repeat:
I NEVER CLAIMED that "Oh... they hate Jews. And they love terrorists", I just noticed a true FACT. Everyone can interpret this fact as he/she wants.

I showed the cases where non Jewish military power was killing innocent civilians like for example in Syria where much more civilians were killed than in Gaza and it didn’t start a massive protests.

People protest against the things that CAN change? So why people didn’t protest against the Saudis bombardments in Yemen, why people didn’t protest about massacres in Ruanda (490-800 thousands dead) or massacres in Darfur (80-400 thousand dead).

And why killing, raping and kidnapping of Israelis did not start any demonstrations? Do you think if Israeli settlers murdered, raped and kidnap Arab children, women and old people, people would react the same way as they reacted when Hamas did it?

And what do you think would be American reaction if a president of Harvard claimed that calls for genocide of Blacks is not a threat, because it depends on context? How many building would be burned? My guess – at least one, probably university synagogue.

 

I like how you leave out the part where Palestinian terrorist take to the skies in paragliders and open fire on Jewish civilians at a concert and then proceed to rape kidnap and pillage what they didn't kill.

They don't get any sympathy for that

 

We see them because it's the cause celebre for the younger Tik Tok generations, most of whom have little to no understanding of what is actually going on over there nor the history of the area. They only know what the video on their phone tells them.

 

Wow, that's some real bullshit right there.

Many Jewish organizations are now saying enough is enough and its time for a cease-fire. Doesn't mean they are self-hating.

As for "From the River to the Sea", it came from the Likud charter, which states that Israel will be the ONLY soveriegn state between the Sea and the River. Its a belief that many Zionists hold today.

 

Well... you opened the thread. How do YOU interpret it?

Let's cut the crap. We're adults here. The way you stated there is only ONE way you intended for the reader to interpret it.

Because people don't know anything about Yemen or Ruanda. They know about Israel. Netanyahu comes here constantly to make sure of that. He comes here for our support. And, at the same time, he meddles in our politics and insists on us joining his warmongering.

Demonstrate against WHO? There is not much of a point in demanding that a terrorist group over which we have NO influence, stop being terrorist. There IS a reason to demand that a nation that we help and support stop killing civilians.

Look... this isn't about people treating all groups equally. This is about saving lives where we CAN save lives. Our country has influence on Israel because we FUND Israel, we support their interest in the international stage, we are committed to helping them militarily, and we have to listen to the incompetent creep they have for a head of state. We have ZERO political influence on what Hamas does.

Israel is not a terrorist organization. So we demand that they don't behave like one. Hamas IS a terrorist organization. We can hope they go away... that they are defeated or that they stop being terrorists. But that's all we can do. In the mean time, we DEMAND that civilians not die unnecessarily.

They would probably ask her to correct her statement or demand her resignation. What do YOU think should be the reaction?

BTW, it's likely that if they had asked she WOULD have said that. In either case it's a stupid answer. I know her intention was to defend Academic Freedom. Which SHOULD be defended. But she did it in a very dumb way.

 

Most of those on the list .. we were not directly supporting the Genocide .. Syria and Yemen being the exceptions .. but the support was quazi covert .. not well known among the public.. and none of the above are conflicts that have been going on for 7 decades ..the super star celebrity of Convlicts .. and last but not least . the war crimes and Ethnic cleansing is being conducted directly by what is supposed to be a civilized western democracy of sorts..

 

Then you aren't friends with the Netanyahus. Or didn't you know?

 

Hamas is a terrorist organization and a government of Gaza/ You think they might go away?....or just stop being terrorists? No, they have to be atomized. Any citizenry that permits a terrorist organization to run their country will also suffer consequences, it is just a fact. We know that once Hamas is dismantled, some Palestinians will once again call for the annihilation of Jews. It's in their DNA. Guess the hope would be they would spend their money on education and building a society rather than building tunnels and rockets.

Ask yourself, how many Nobel prizes have been awarded Jews and then how many Nobel prizes have gone to Palestinians?

 

That's why we can ONLY influence Israel. Thereby my answer to the poster.

 

My interpretation - few hundred year of tradition to treat Jews different way than non Jews and I showed examples. Why some people treat Jews differently? Some expect Jews to be more morally righteous than other nations, some are convicted that Jews are vicious, racist people.

OK, I got it - I am the only one who was watching CNN and Fox News where they showed scenes from Hutus massacring Tutsis in Ruanda and Arabs massacring Blacks in Darfur. I guess most of the world learn about current events from The Sesame Streat or MTV shows. Thank you for this fantastic explanation.

OK, I got it. People demonstrate only about countries and never against racist or terrorist organizations, and although people new about Hamas murders, rapes and kidnappings, demonstrators thought for a moment and said: "nah, no point for demanding return kidnapped women, children and old people". Thank you for this excellent explanation.

I think you right. There are many international organizations in Gaza, many of them are funded by the US government, but demonstrators thought for a moment and said" "yes, we support financially many organizations which are involved in Gaza, but this isn't about people treating all groups equally, hostages, shmotages, we have to demand Israel to stop fighting Hamas, because Palestinian civilians got hurt and it is more important that kidnapped Israeli women, children and old people". Yes, you are absolutely right.

Yes, I think you are right again. When non Jews kill 10 times more civilians than Israel, people would say - governments of Syria, Yemen or Ethiopia are terrorist organization and the is no point to demonstrate in order to save civilians, but when Israel kills civilians fighting Hamas, this is different story - we must demonstrate and must never demand returning of kidnap hostages. Yes, your explanation makes sense.

Ou yeah, you are absolutely right. I remember American media reaction on Trumps statements which were precepted as racists. Maybe you are right, but my guess is that if in Harvard Blacks students had to run away and hide in a library from a White crowd screaming ‘White people in America have to be free’ - at least one Harvard building would burned. Which one? I guess it will be Harvard synagogue (if such exist).