Why won't Hispanics Assimilate into American Culture?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Libhater, Jun 16, 2013.

  1. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    God, how I loved my times in Denmark.. especially Tivoli and the Shoeman circus. As kids we got into trouble for eating ALL the cherries in our B&B's garden. We used to eat butter sandwiches with chocolate sprinkles.

    I think we should control immigration.. or maybe I am saying illegal aliens.... but I firmly believe in the American dream and opportunity.
     
  2. Ex-lib

    Ex-lib Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,809
    Likes Received:
    75
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Only a tiny minority of the Right is actually racist. You must have wires crossed.
     
  3. Ex-lib

    Ex-lib Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,809
    Likes Received:
    75
    Trophy Points:
    48
    No part of the American dream is accusing people of being racist who are not being racist.

    The American Dream includes a country where we realize that just because someone doesn't want people illegally entering our country, doesn't mean they're racist.


    The American Dream includes a country where we realize that just because someone wants immigrants to learn English and to assimilate, doesn't mean they're racist.

    I am flabbergasted Margot, to read that you wrote "I think we should control immigration.. or maybe I am saying illegal aliens.."

    I thought you were too overcome with liberal philosophy to think that clearly.
    My apology for thinking that of you. :)
     
    Margot and (deleted member) like this.
  4. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Oh I know that... I was a Republican for 35 years.
     
  5. Ex-lib

    Ex-lib Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,809
    Likes Received:
    75
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Do you really think there are many people who want to limit immigration based on race? I don't think so.

    But I DO think that they want to limit immigration based on NUMBER, (we can only assimilate so many at a time), and I think they want to limit immigration based on whether they broke the law to enter our country.

    Even a liberal wants laws to be obeyed. Am I wrong about that?
     
  6. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Messages:
    45,715
    Likes Received:
    885
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm nothing but a foreigner when it comes to England and Denmark and don't speak Danish.

    If we allow immigration based upon the Law of Supply and Demand for "labor" (i.e. Capitalism) then the only "illegal immigrants" we'd have are those illegally entering the United States for criminal purposes.... like the ones the Obama adminstration targets for deportation and criminal prosecution.
     
  7. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Messages:
    45,715
    Likes Received:
    885
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Many attempt to rationalize the limitations on immigration based upon "other considerations" but since it only affects Hispanic immigration we can see through the veil of hypocracy.

    We have roughly 11 million "illegal" immigrants that overwhelmingly came here to work or were brought here by their parents or because they were the spouse of the worker. They came here to work so obviously the "jobs" existed and do exist. Additionally we have literally millions of typically low paying hard work jobs in diversified employment such as agricultural (1/4th to 1/3rd of the US agricultural crops went unharvested last year from what I understand) and new construction (15% of new construction jobs were being rejected by contractors over the last 12 months because of a lack of immigrant labor) so obviously the restrictions on immigration are adversely effecting the US economy today. This doesn't even count the tens or hundreds of thousands of enterprises that simply don't exist today because of the lack of immigrant labor in the US to work for those enterprises.

    The Law of Supply and Demand under capitalism will always result in the "demand for labor" to be addressed by the market. If a legal means for labor is not available then, to a lesser extent, it will be met by the black market in labor and that is what the "illegal" immigration in the US represents. The demand for labor is there but we don't allow enough immigrants to come to the US to fill that demand so they come here illegally.

    A person really needs to understand the Law of Supply and Demand to understand why we have an illegal immigrant problem. They're coming here to work because the jobs exist. If more immigrants were allowed to come here legally they would fill the available job openings as well as providing labor for even more jobs that don't exist because of the limitations on immigration. Every immigrant expands the US GDP and with their consumption and tax paying (which predominately supports local and state government) the expand the economy even more creating higher paying jobs that Americans will work at.

    Our limitations on immigration are seriously hurting the US economy and many seem to forget that fact. Think about this historical fact. Low-paid Chinese workers built the transcontinental railroad that opened up the US from coast to coast and the economic benefit of that railroad were huge for American. Immgrants today provide exactly the same economic benefit to the United States that they did over 100 years ago.
     
  8. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    OMG.. you are fully American........ I hope that you get an opportunity to visit Denmark...
     
  9. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2008
    Messages:
    27,293
    Likes Received:
    4,346
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I agree 100%. The Consitution only authorizes Congress to:


    To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;


    It says nothing about immigration. The problem is that we have allowed the Constitution to not be a limitation on Congress.
     
  10. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I am by no means a liberal.
     
  11. Ex-lib

    Ex-lib Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,809
    Likes Received:
    75
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I am grateful then, that you are not. :)
     
  12. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I resigned the Republican party when George attacked Iraq.. up until then my husband and I were active in developing the Young Republicans in SC.

    I am interested in real bipartisan solutions not in the idiocy.
     

Share This Page