Why would anyone in Pennsylvania support Fetterman for Senate?

for what possible reasons would anyone in Pennsylvania have for supporting John Fetterman for Senate this year? Based on simply a handful of his public policy positions alone would seem to disqualify him in my view (like letting convicted felons out of prison).

 

I was going to vote for him, but his policy on felons changed my mind when I became aware

 

How the hell can Fetterman even vote for himself?

 

I suppose it's because their other choice is a tv personaltiy with nothing going for him other than his Trump endorsement. I'm no Fetterman fan, but a Trump endorsement means an automatic "no" from me.

 

Positions on topics don't matter? There are plenty to go around. Inflation going to 8 % . Gas prices a $1.00 a gallon higher than they were a year ago. Crime in the streets at record highs. Drug deaths at a record pace. Borders wide open with over two million illegal aliens entering the U.S.A. crowding cities and towns all over America that is straining the infrastructure of our schools, jobs, healthcare and well being of our own citizens. Depletion of our oil reserves no new energy infrastructure being built to handle the upcoming shortages of heating fuel we will need this winter. Police departments being undermined by politicians who refuse to uphold the law.

Trump is one man who goes around and endorses people who he thinks are beholden too him. Just like Pelosi and Shumers endorsments. In reality, none of them are worth a can of beans. I look at the candidate myself and try and find out where they stand on the issues. Nothing frustrates me more than to have my sister tell me she's voting the strait party ticket. When I ask her why, she replys, that's the way mama and daddy voted. She get's mad when I call her a "slave voter" .

 

Looks like the GOP attack ads against Fetterman are working. There is almost nothing that disgusts me more than today's TV ads for politicians. The mud slinging is almost unbearable. As if no candidate has any of their own policies or merits to advertise, they just have to make sure you don't vote for the other guy, because they are painted as the devil. And this goes for both parties.

 

Why would anyone in Pennsylvania support Fetterman for Senate?

Mehmet Oz.

 

That's just it with Oz though. He has no positions. He has no solutions. He's just a suit with a Trump endorsement, which is probably half the reason Trump likes him. No thoughts of his own means it's more likely he'll be loyal.

 

and Feddermans thoughts are?????? Oh yeah. Empty the jails. That'll fix the crime problem. At least Oz is ready to debate but the Son of Festus doesn't seem to want to do that.

 

There will be a debate on Tuesday fwiw

 

This. Pennsylvanians have been given the worst Senate race possible, considering that it's a 6 year event. I don't envy any of my fellow Pennsylvanians with the choice of hell. It's a mini version of Trump V Clinton. Whatever you pick, you're not right but you're not wrong either.

 

Has anyone actually done reading about Fetterman's positions or just taking the ads as gospel? I know I won't change anyone's mind who is determined not to have it changed, but I think an informed voter is a much better voter than an ad watcher.

This is a good start:
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/factchecking-republican-attacks-on-fettermans-crime-stance/

 

Like I said, I'm no Fetterman fan either. The guy seems like a 55 year old 19 year old. He's been an amusing guy to see in the news living in PA as I do. I don't mind his view on marijuana but I'm not a fan of his outlook on prisons and felons, which could have wide ranging implications.

But at least he has views. Oz is just a Trump sock puppet, more so than even some of Trump's other endorsed candidates are. He's a suit with a big Team Trump logo on his jacket. If you look closely enough, you can actually see Trump's arm up his ass miming the words.

But even Oz pales in comparison to the guy we have running as the Republican for governor, Doug Mastriano. This guy is a real piece of work. I'll be voting for the Democrat in that situation, Josh Shapiro. I liked him as our AG.

 

What is wrong with Oz? And don't bring up Donald Trump. I don't like Donald Trump either but there is more to an election than whether he supported someone or not.

 

The blue team will say Fetterman is not orange man bad.

 

Cuz Biden vouched for him!

 

That's some bogus BS right there. It contradicts itself in the first sentence

Dr. Mehmet Oz, Fetterman’s Republican opponent, claims Fetterman wants to “eliminate life sentences for murderers.” That’s not accurate. Fetterman has said he wants to eliminate mandatory life sentences for people convicted of second-degree murder.

Are we supposed to feel safer now? "Ahh, just 2nd degree murderers. no worries there"

 

‘We believe you’re idiot’ is the best way to describe the RNC ad campaign in my home market. Evidently they’ve taken the same approach in PA.

Fetterman’s policy positions are readily available on the net.

 

Well if that's your reason, then guess what? Fetterman is running for the Senate... Senators cannot let people out of prison... Hence, this should be utterly a non issue, for anyone, and so I guess you can vote for Fetterman without worry.

If you are afraid of there being some law passed, to set free prison inmates, I will point out that, without 49 or 50 others, a single Senator can pass nothing. And even a bill that gets through the Senate, is meaningless, unless it gets through the House, where it would need another 220 votes, at least. And even then, unless there were 2/3 majorities in both chambers of Congress who wanted to do this, it would still not become law without the President also signing it. So it sounds like you are making a second head, out of the bump from a mosquito bite.

 

He will be a vote for being relaxed on crime. He will support Biden judicial nominations who will not enforce the law. We need less senators who want to stop enforcing crime, border security, etc and who may want to reduce budgets for enforcement. It sounds like you're building a straw man to support a Senator who insists on being soft on crime and not incarcerating criminals. I don't know why so many liberals take such an absurd position, but it's way out of touch with mainstream Americans who object to the crime wave we are seeing in America. As a collective, we are sick and tired of representatives in Congress who hold such views. Liberals who rationalize their support for such candidates by claiming it doesn't matter are out of touch extremists.

 

1st, I am sure there is context to the felon argument, which you are omitting. He is not saying empty out all the jails and prisons, I'm sure. Now, maybe, if you accurately gave his position, I might be against it. But when you decide it's a risk for you to tell the truth, and so misrepresent it, I take that, in & of itself, as a reason that I should favor Fetterman. Besides, as I mentioned to Dayton3, Senators have no control over prisons.

2nd, yeah, it says a lot about your boy, Oz, that he wants to debate a stroke victim as soon as possible, after his opponent's stroke. With all the propaganda coming from his camp, that Fetterman is now mentally challenged, Oz better hope that he wipes the floor with Fetterman, in their debate. If it is anything close to a draw, in which each side might reasonably contend that their own candidate had actually won, Fetterman will have the excuse, that he's still recovering from his stroke; but what's Oz gonna give for a reason, he had any trouble whatsoever, beating someone with a mental disability?

3rd, Oz does not even live in the state that he wants to represent in the U.S. Senate-- and he also votes in elections in Turkey! If those qualifications scream "United States Senate material," to you, then you need to get your political hearing checked.

 

It sounds like you are not very good at evaluating arguments. I had been answering Dayton3, who made one argument: the one about the felons. So guess what my answer is going to focus on.
Do you need any more hints, to help figure it out?

I did not take a position on crime so, once again, you are only showing your own inability to understand written language.

I honestly do not know Fetterman's position, because none of you who are so critical of it, never explain what it is! All you say is, he wants to release felons. What felons-- all of them? Somehow, I doubt it. So, if after all these comments from the Right, your criticisms have been too feckless-- or perhaps too frightened-- to even fill in the basic details of Fetterman's position, then I think that would be a more appropriate place, to direct your disdain.

Ooo, baby-- a whole lotta guessin' goin' on!

What we need most at the border, are a ton more immigration judges! So the idea that Fetterman will cut funding for the border, besides being completely made up, by you, is also (who'd of guessed?) completely wrong.

What we don't need, is another voice in the Senate, only there to obstruct progress on any issue, for the next two years, including preventing the filling of openings for federal judges.

 

Does the death penalty make you feel safer?

Deterrence is probably the most commonly expressed rationale for the death penalty. The essence of the theory is that the threat of being executed in the future will be sufficient to cause a significant number of people to refrain from committing a heinous crime they had otherwise planned. Deterrence is not principally concerned with the prevention of further killing by an already convicted death-penalty defendant. That falls under the topic of incapacitation.

Deterrence should not be considered in a vacuum. The critical question is not whether potential criminals will be dissuaded from killing because they would face the death penalty rather than no punishment at all. Other punishments such as life without parole might provide equal deterrence at far less costs and without the attendant risk of executing an innocent person. Whether the death penalty is a proven method of lowering the murder rate has been subjected to many studies over many decades.

It is not enough to compare jurisdictions with the death penalty to those without unless the study controls for the many other variables that could affect the murder rate. For example, lower unemployment rates correlate with lower crime rates. More police involvement in the local community seems to reduce crime. The death penalty affects only a tiny percentage of even those who commit murder. Its effect is very difficult to pinpoint, and the National Academy of Sciences has concluded that past studies have neither proven nor disproven a deterrent effect.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/deterrence

 

Because braindead seems to be the best and preferred candidates the party gravitates towards today.. Simply look at the way the left embraces the LETTER groups now! Confusion about everything is the new cool!

 

One senator can set the tone though.