Why would anyone want to fly a confederate flag?

It's the American rebel spirit. This nation began as an act of rebellion. Many refer to the Confederate battle flag as the "rebel flag" and see it as a symbol of rebellion against centralized power above all else (and now that more is being made of the racial implications, it's a middle finger to political correctness as well). You can cite all the history you want, but in the end, a symbol is in the eye of the beholder.

 

Your entire argument and OP is an association fallacy.

E.G. The South was once part of the racist CSA; The CSA used the confederacy flag; therefore the confederacy flag is a racist flag. You shouldn't use it.

That is basically the jist of what you are saying; that is an association fallacy. I don't know if you're being obtuse or you just believe everyone else is.

I'm not sure what you are implying. Of course there is a meaning associated with the Hammer and Sickle, the Swastikas and the confederacy flag still exist; it doesn't mean that it isn't part of history. Are you suggesting that these entities still exist; because they don't…

Are you sure you're speaking of nations; because your post ask "why would anyone want to fly a confederate flag?" Why wouldn't anyone reasonably infer that you are talking about individuals?

You're being intellectually dishonest, as well as culturally ignorant because you somehow believe you must be Indian to be a Buddhist.

Why would it matter if the states were formerly the CSA, Nazi Germany or Cloud Cucoland? Symbols don't lose any form of significance because of the person using it; quite the opposite. Do you think it is impossible for Indians (only using your example because you have a problem with consistency) to use a swastika in a negative way? Do you think it is impossible for any German to use the swastika in a positive way?

Your argument is filled with extremes that have no basis for how things work in the real world; only in the confides of your personal biases.

I don't understand bad arguments, and your arguments are very bad.

 

Yeah, and you can fly the nazi flag and call it the rebel flag all you want.. It would still be a racist flag. Same with the CSA flag. Do whatever you want with it. Nothing you do will change the fact that it's the flag of a country literally founded on racism. If you people just want a "rebel" flag, why'd you have to pick a flag tainted with racism? And then you act all suprised and offended when people say it's a racist flag? When you choose to use the CSA flag, you could've seen that comming. It seems that out of all flags, choosing the csa flag is one of the stupidier alternatives out there. it's almost as if you are trying to have yourselves associated with racism. And guess what, you are associating yourself with racism because you choose to fly a racist flag. Go figure, it's no mystery.

 

That's what I'm saying yes, but that's not an association fallacy.. my argument is:

The CSA was based on racism. The flag of the CSA represents the CSA. Therefore the CSA flag represents racism.

The form for an association fallacy is: "A is B and C, therefore B is also C." That is not what I'm saying. The abstract form for what I'm saying is: "A is B, B is C, therefore A is C."

I find it really annoying when people think they are smart, and then refer to things like "association fallacies" despite clearly not understanding what it is.. pretentious ignorance is the worst. If you don't know what it means, don't talk about it as if you do..

I said that because it seems you are implying they lose their meaning just because they are part of history.

I didn't necessarily talk of nations in the OP, but I did when I adressed your bad comparison with swastikas and buddhists. Nations are the reason why that comparison was ridiculous, why it is different if an indian or a german uses a swastika.

It does matter. Indians can't use a swastika in a negative way within the context of indian culture. If they want to use it negatively, they will have to do so in the context of western culture, because in indian culture it has no negative connotation.

 

I don't know why you made a thread that says "why would anyone want to"... when you clearly aren't interested in people's reasons; you just want to call them racist. People picked this flag because A. They associate it with rebellion, and B. They associate it with the South. It is not a "racist flag"; it is a piece of cloth, an inanimate object that has no ideology. The PERSON flying it may be racist or not, and may fly it in the spirit of racism, or not. But one thing is for sure, if that person is a Southerner, he probably doesn't give a damn what some Swede thinks about it anyway.

 

I can understand why you don't think you are using the association fallacy: You think changing how the variables are written changes the equation; it doesn't.

Saying, "A is B and C, therefore B is also C." is merely the same A is B, B is C, therefore A is C. The entire equation can be rewritten:

C is A
C is also B
Therefore, all A's are B's.

Anytime you're correlating three different variables that have nothing in common with one another, you're using an association fallacy. That's very basic.

This entire paragraph explains you exactly; understanding what is association and what isn't is all matter of understanding probability. But I guess we can simply add that to your growing list of shortcomings.

The only person who believes other people believe that symbols can lose all meaning is you.

No, it is the reason why your argument is ridiculous, because it has no bearing on the facts at hand.

Indians have used the swastika in a negative way within the context of indian culture. I don't know why this is difficult for you to understand, just as Nazi, Christians, Jews, Southerns and Muslims have all done within the context of their own. They have all done positive things too.

However, you seem to love to focus on the bad, because you seem to prefer guilt by association.

 

The Federal Government was created to be the servant of the people, instead it has become a tyranny and no longer represents the interests or the will of the people.

 

Who was that militant black woman, now a university professor, who said this typical liberal, biased, destructive view:

"I see racism in the sky, I see racism in the ground.
I see racism in the speed of sound."

That pretty much sums up the *thinking* and *reason* of race-baiters here, like Sven himself. Ask Sven how much he loves and tolerates all those nice Muslims who are raping native Swedish women, and committing other horrific crimes throughout Europe. If he says one negative word, why he must be a .... (gasp) racist! Touche. Hoist with his own petard. (Look up the metaphor, Sven.)

 

If the flag is an inanimate object, why can it stand for the south and for rebellion, but not for racism? It seems you don't follow your own logic.

Hah, clearly they do care or there wouldn't be 800+ replies to this thread.

jesus christ.. first of all, the variables are to be considered separately since I only used them to show the form. secondly, no, they do not have the same meaning, and you can't just re-arrange them. I suppose that just using A, B, and C is to complicated for you to understand.. so let me show them with real things instead. First, assocation fallacy with concrete examples: "cats are animals and carnivores. therefore, all animals are carnivores." and in abstract form: A is B and C, therefore B are C. Now, translative relationship, simple form: A is B, B is C, therefore C is A. In concrete form: Mike is a man, men are human, therefore mike is a human. But enough of this, I don't want to be your teacher in logic, and in any case you are a poor student. Look this stuff up yourself, for you can read can't you? use wikipedia or youtube or whatever. most understand simple logic with common sense, but that's obviously lacking for you.

probability? yet another thing you don't know what it is.. and why'd you bring that up here?

okay, whatever.. enough of this. plain stupid is easier to handle than pretentious stupid. I'm not going to bother replying to you anymore because it's clearly pointless. Unless you write a post that isn't devoid of logic and common sense, but that's unlikely.

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personal question: how old are you? I'm 20. You are acting as if you're 12.

 

Try reading again. I never said what you are claiming. In the minds of some, it surely does stand for racism. In the minds of others, it does not. The flag itself is an inanimate object with no inherent ideology beyond what people project onto it.

Perhaps they mistakenly thought that your question was sincere, and were trying to educate you.

 

You can rearrange variables in any equation. The form won't be the same, but the results will always retain its meaning.

I don't know what a translative relationship is. I do know what a transitive relationship is, on the other hand. But if you're going to start teaching anyone logic, you should probably start with your English and Math skills first.

Aside from that, I don't think I need to you teach me how the association fallacy works for me to point out your association fallacies.

Both Wikipedia and Youtube says that your wrong. It's really not my fault reality disagrees with you.

As a statistician I think I know probability fairly well; and considering probability has everything to do with association. It's called "Correlation and dependence"

But you can always know who has never taken a basic stat class simply by listening to the words they write.

 

That was done 200+ years ago, in the specified Article and Section of the Constitution.

And if you expect the conversation to continue, use the quote function per rule 15.

 

Because the OP doesn't want to know why. He wants to cry "racism!" like a drama queen. This thread is for race baiting and the OP is NOT interested in learning other people's viewpoints. I think that is more than obvious at this point.

 

I get it now.

When i was 20, to congratulate you, I knew far less about USA issues than you now know.

My youngest child, a daughter is very close to being 30.

When I was in the Army, in Germany, I had to try to learn some of their ways. Some of their habits and mores.

Customs in other terms.

What you mistake as a love for slavery is not that at all. When I purchased my only CSA flag, I was at the time 62. There is no way when I bought the flag it was about slavery to me.

It was about that time I grew to understand the crimes of one Abraham Lincoln.

I call those crimes because there in VA I walked the same soil the combat veterans had walked during combat.

I spent days of seeking those old sites and walking the same ground. To see it, hopefully, as the two sides saw it.

I do not disparage the troops of the North. They were told to show up and told to fight.

I found it disgusting that a president of the USA would wage war that he did not bother or going to meetings ahead of war.

Abraham is heavily quoted on the internet. His words are in the record.

When I was 20, I have no doubt I was equally as petulant as our visitor from Sweden is today.

 

Which one, the more common battle flag of the republic or the confederate flag which is rarely flown?

 

Do BOTH of those symbols represent racism/slavery?

 

The good old Stars & Stripes representing liberty and equal justice = https://66.media.tumblr.com/3dc94e8ec3a2dc434e5ac2b6a13825af/tumblr_inline_nga1n6dYmA1qiky83.jpg

 

Just so. But Democrats/Leftists always ALWAYS exploit every situation, however dishonestly, to call others "racist".
Big Lies are their talking points.

It's not confusion, it's intentional condescension of the ugliest, most dishonest and destructive kind.

 

Nonsense, that is merely an unsubstantiated claim; an exaggeration, for certain.

Please, try again.