Why would you Oppose a wall on our Border? Lets find out.

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  1. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

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    Because it doesn't take a MENSA candidate to figure out that Arizona isn't exclusive to drug trafficking over unsecured boarders. It is virtually the same at every unsecured crossing area from Texas to California.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am speaking of added men to stifle the supply of drugs you allege still pass into this country.

    Perhaps what you actually mean to say is how incompetent are the current agents at blocking drugs at the border.

    Nice thing about walls is they are not ranked as are humans. They do stop drugs.
     
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    More people who have been found on the terrorist watch list have crossed into the USA border via Canada. Not one has been found who crossed via the Mexican border. This contrary to the lies and treason of bigoted traitor Trump.

    Only a terrorist would oppose having a wall between the USA and Canada.

    ¿ Right ?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I modified my question by the way.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently you do not believe that Canada is serious about stopping terrorists. Do you have Canada's figures on that issue?
     
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    Border Patrol Chief: 'We Certainly Need a Wall, Any Agent Will Tell You That'

    The head of the U.S. Border Patrol said Sen. Chuck Schumer, Sen. Bernie Sanders and others on the left are incorrect when they claim a wall is not a useful tool to stop illegal immigration.

    "We certainly do need a wall. Talk to any border agent and they will tell you that," Chief Carla Provost said on "Your World."

    Schumer, the Senate Minority Leader, clashed with Trump Monday in a televised Oval Office meeting, and dismissed the idea of funding a border wall.

    Provost said that, pending the $5 billion appropriation championed by President Trump, she has "prioritized" the locations where walls should be built along the 1,954-mile border with Mexico.

    She said the Border Patrol needs many more billions to sufficiently secure the border, but will take whatever Congress will approve.

    The Border Patrol wants to integrate new "anti-dig" and other technologies with any new wall construction to further optimize border security, Provost added.

    "The president has been extremely supportive [of us]," she said, touting the fact that apprehensions increased 88 percent from last year.

    Schumer has argued that the progress is evidence that a wall is not needed at this time. Provost said the wall would allow her agents to operate in areas where they currently cannot.
    https://insider.foxnews.com/2018/12...-wants-wall-agents-say-democrats-need-fund-it

    While back in the hood in South Central, Mad Maxine Waters Calls for Trump Impeachment: 'He Is Dangerous, aligned With Putin, Hells Angels, the NRA, the U.S. military, Border Patrol Agents, Cops and Middle America.'
     
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    No. That's just plain nonsense. The demand for our tax dollars is for wall, not stronger checkpoints.
     
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    "Nice thing about walls is they are not ranked as are humans. They do stop drugs."

    And here all this time we've been wasting money on DEA agents to stop drugs. Apparently all we have to do is erect walls everywhere and magically all drugs will be stopped from entering the US. Who knew....
     
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    I will freely admit that my knee jerk reaction against the wall is down to Trump. He made big promises during the campaign, and now that he isn't getting support, he's holding federal employees hostage.

    But my longer term sensibilities have had me reading to learn about the efficacy of the wall, and I'm not convinced that it is a good use of tax payers money. Border patrol seems to be split on its necessity, if you do enough reading. But what they all agree upon is that there is a need for more personnel and more technology. And that's where I think the money should be spent.

    I am angered - as should all Americans, left and right - by a president who consistently lies to get what he wants, and attempts to frighten people to follow his agenda. He underestimates (at least half of) the collective intelligence of the country by spewing information that has been proven false. Like good teachers, a good president should challenge citizens to think.
     
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    What in bloody hell does that have to do with directing you to post #53 which still answers your question?

    I know I'm gonna regret going down this rabbit hole...sigh
     
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    I am assuming you didnt vote for trump, and did not consider border security a high priority till your anti trump knee jerked

    Now you thinking deep thpughts about a subject you previously were not interested in

    But trump supporters have given the subject a lot of thought over many years

    And we see the need for a wall
     
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    Condor060 Banned Donor

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    Really, Ok, You got me. I just made everything up. Or maybe you can look up Condor Aerial (Hence my avatar and statement when I joined this forum)

    Here, You want my linkedin account
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/fred-culbertson-0a263543/

    Or maybe some media surrounding me and my provision of systems to federal and local law enforcement
     
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    I did not realize you are in a fighting stance and bad mood. I simply amended my first question to delete asking about dealers. I did locate post 53 and there I decided to verify it by going to DEA to read that report. It is not on DEA site so I am checking elsewhere for it. I plan to study that 24 page report if you do not mind.

    Look, assuming the worst about me is not to your benefit.
     
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    How the hell do you know where most drugs are shipped, is that you Pablo?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are precisely the kind of poster that belongs here offering your expert views and advice to the poster community.
     
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    post #53 would be a good start for you to see how he knows
     
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    It does not matter to them or the MSM what Trump wants to do. The same Hillary supporters that blessed her handling of the crisis in Libya are angry that Trump is going after security at our borders.;

    They presume, but do not try to prove, he is ignoring Canada.

    While Mexico is the focus of Schumer and his pals in the MSM, none of us know all the intelligence from our border.

    For an example, look up DEA and try to locate a report that they keep speaking of that is apparently 24 pages long.

    I now return back to hunting down that report.
     
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    If you can show the DEA report is not accurate, please do so.

    It isn't the job of the DEA to report on the number of illegals.
    As far as equating things, if you don't catch someone with drugs away from a POE, how can you say the drugs are getting through? You're assuming they're getting through, and in all likelihood they are, but you can't say how much and can't use any statistics based on an unknown.

    But you have nothing to support that? How much is confiscated at the border? Compare that to how much is out there. As far as the 90%, I believe that refers to what is confiscated and also to specific types of drugs. I didn't claim that about illegals.

    The point is that the wall will do nothing to stop what's already coming in through POEs or the East, West coasts and Northern border. I will also do nothing to stop the production of drugs within the US.
     
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    And yet, the DEA, whose job it is to actually study drug trafficking so they can intercept it, state clearly that the majority of drugs come into America through legal crossing points hidden within legal traffic.
     
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    I appreciate your support Robert but I find that most in these political forums don't want to know whats really going on. They just want to be right and if you provide actual inside knowledge of the situation your credibility gets called into question because it doesn't match their agenda.

    It's really too bad people want to be right more than they want to be educated. I am not professing to be a know it all but I do know a lot about what goes on at the border and have seen it first hand. I continue to provide what we really know about drug trafficking across our boarders but it's such an uphill battle with the left. You would think its the one thing we could all agree on.
     
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    He said it was shipped thru border crossings. Where in the report does it say that. It said the preferred method for the big cartels is tractor trailers if they go by the border crossing only. The prefered method is by boat -not by land. .
     
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    I don't mind being educated. Not at all. But unless you can challenge the DEA report or give me a comparison of drugs coming in through legal POEs to drugs coming in through unsecured areas, I have nothing to change my mind.
     
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    But while 90 percent of the heroin sold in the United States comes from Mexico, virtually all of it comes through legal points of entry. “A small percentage of all heroin seized by [Customs and Border Protection] along the land border was between Ports of Entry (POEs),” the Drug Enforcement Administration said in a 2018 report. So Trump’s wall would do little to halt drug trafficking. Trump’s repeated claim that the wall would stop drug trafficking is a Bottomless Pinocchio claim.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e-address-immigration/?utm_term=.4b1d02e24052

    Part of the Dem's suggestion for enhanced border security includes more technology for detecting drugs coming through legal points of entry.

    Next.
     

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