Why would you Oppose a wall on our Border? Lets find out.

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  1. Equality

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    All presidents want to be remembered in history , they want to exist after their deaths in memories . It's a statement rather than symbolic , I'd rather leave symbolic out of the discussion as it is not required .
     
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    Not just Americans.
    North Americans, just like USA and Canada.
     
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    Even you came up with another example! So, keep looking - you're on the right track if that's what you care about.

    I'll point out that "some, I assume, are good people" is an insult.

    If someone said about citizens of your country that "some, I assume, are good people" would you not take it as a a depricatory remark?
     
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    Correlation is how science figures out where to look.

    The fact of the stop in growth is dramatic. It was growing fast. Then in 2008 it stopped. We've wanted that to happen for DECADES. Then it happened!!

    If anyone cares about undocumented aliens in the US, then THAT would be an event that must be understood.

    So, what's YOUR explanation? Do you think it was Obama's policy? Do you think it was the fact that employment dried up? Have you found anyone who has any other idea?

    I don't see how the job connection can be denied. I don't believe it was all Obama. And, I don't see any other event significant enough to cause such a dramatic change.
     
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    Lets say that is WAS the fact that employment dried up. What does that have to do with a solution today?
     
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    That's solid logic....Whitey stole America from the Indians so now Mexicans, who stole New Spain from Spain, are entitled to steal the United States. Got it. :roflol:
     
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    What?
     
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    Name one SINGLE person who has said that a wall will stop illegal immigration.
     
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    So are you saying that it is necessary that people are still able to cross the border to get help?
     
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    That should be the aim.
     
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    Yes, and you agree that the law is used against criminals don't you?

    Yes, it is.

    Is that happening?

    They're not innocent according US law, so yes I WOULD put them in prison!

    So you think that the only way that the US helps Mexico currently, is by the fact that there is no wall? Surely you can't be serious!
     
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    What data are you referring to when you say that most come "legally, by visa?"
     
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    Got a source for this?

    "The GOP fear-mongers." What about them?
     
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    All of them?
     
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    Yeah, so build the wall and lock them in, then get ICE to arrest them. Simple.
     
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    No clue, but it is the easiest way in the first time.
     
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    No, I came up with YOUR example, unless you can tell me that your example is different to the 2016 campaign speech comments of, "They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” Again, When ELSE has he referred to them in such general terms?

    It was an inflammatory thing to say, but to be fair to Trump, how would he KNOW FOR SURE that some of them are "good people" if he doesn't actually know any? I myself can only assume that much! I'm sure that it is a very safe bet that many of them are good, honest people who just want to work and take care of their family, but I don't know for sure! Unfortunately, the only ones that ARE well known are the human waste criminals, from being covered on the news when they kill someone.
     
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    Oh yeah absolutely. I heard that visa overstays only account for 42% of illegal aliens.
     
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    My brother
     
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    Your bro said this? I would like to meet this gentleman!
     
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    I love him, but trust me...you don't want to meet him.
     
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    A tough guy, eh? I'll just sic my chihuahua on him.
     
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    Not what I meant.
     
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    No doubt in my mind, I think the 42% might even be higher. But when we deport a visa overstay, the only way back in is across the open border. The guy in San Francisco who killed Kate Steinle was deported and came back 5 times, the guy in Nevada or Utah who killed Sheriff's Deputies was deported 8 times and came back. The wall cuts off the route for deported aliens to return as they won't get another VISA for a long time and would need one at a legal port of entry.
     
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