Will God welcome Gays into the Kingdom of Heaven

No.

Why you ask, because being gay isn't part of His system of Creation.
It is the demand of Lucifer which is anti Creation and pro self.

That which doesn't meet the designs of Creation, which is truth, which is Creation...that's how it works. I'm I lost. ?

So it doesn't matter how many selfish vapors living on the earth, like the super rich, it doesn't matter how many of them say it's good, because they are protecting vapor... they are only protecting self, not truth and not Creation.

The Universe is here for a reason, because it holds. And why does it hold, because it's in truth.

A man wanting another man's butthole so he can ejaculate isn't truth. It is self...and Creation just don't work like that.... but if you look there are things close to that, but not that in its projection.

This is the world, we are flesh, and very shortly we are all going to die in this place.

Don't let the stupid world take you over, wake up and stand for truth.

Under truth, I should of had babies, I'm subject too.


I gave up a lot to talk to you today.

And now you think I'm fancy.

I'm not the fancy one.

 

So why does God create people who are attracted to the same sex? Is God so evil that he purposely sets people to fail? I mean I guess he must be pretty evil anyway. He created humanity knowing full well that the vast, vast, vast majority of them would be tortured for eternity in a lake of fire.

Thank god it's all a fantasy.

 

That's the irony with religion......There is always something that contridicts it, but beleivers simply say "God works in mysterious ways" and pay the contridictions no mind....

Another one is.....If god is all knowing, why did he creat lucifer? He knew lucifer was evil because he knows all.....A benelovent god can not create evil.....Therefore god must have evil inside him......

 

On this I have to strongly disagree with you as your POV deviates from an orthodox Christian worldview that sees all all of humanity as sinners equally in need of God's grace to save. Through Christ, his death and resurrection, we may have eternal life. All have sinned and fall short of God's glory. We all have acted out in original sin and become children of wrath. But in Christ we receive mercy and redemption and the hope of everlasting life.

If the homosexual persists in a sinful lifestyle, he is in danger of hellfire, but he's not special in that regard in that the only sin that cannot be forgiven is persistant rejection of the love of God through Christ Jesus. Those who reject Christ have condemned themselves, whether heterosexual or homosexual.

God is not looking for reasons to send people to hell, he's looking for ways to take as many people home to heaven as possible. Once you understand this, you understand the loving character of God and the inclination He will have when we all one day stand before Him to be judged.

 

God did not create sin. God created the potential for sin when he gave men and angels free will. This isn't difficult to understand.

 

Lets assume being gay is a sin for the sake of argument...

No parts of the Bible say anything about Gays going to hell. As far as the Bible is concerned it never really says the "sin" (if you even agree) is an ultimate unforgivable sin.

Heck, according to common Christianity all you need to get into heaven is to trust Jesus as their savior as their God.


I never understood how these people single out gayness as if it's somehow a more powerful sin that overpowers any other beliefs they have.


P.S. I don't even agree that being gay is a sin anyways.
The translation of "arsenokoitai" the original word is really a dumb translation that was incorrect. It doesn't mean "homosexual".

 

Free Will only exists when it suits a believer's faith. When something bad happens, it's blamed on Satan or said to be part of "god's plan" and humans tends to push the blame as far away from their free will as possible.

 

Why don't you stick to the OP and not use any excuse to vent your hatred toward God? If you aren't a Christian or even a deist, then you have no opinion on this issue worth anything.

 

It seems you have a better understanding of the Christian world view than the OP has. But the whole Bible condemns homosexuality in so many places that it can't be written off as some sort of translation disagreement. Disagree with it, ok. But don't reinterpret the Bible to suit your needs. That's like those who try to twist the Qu'ran so that it never calls for violence. The Bible, the Qu'ran, love it, hate it for what it is.

 

Probably. Since "in god we thrust!"

 

I don't know that Lucifer was evil, my understanding is he just got pissed over God choosing humans as his favorite over the angles and making the angles serve man. Yeah though if he could see the future, being all knowing and all, why create him in the first place. God's just creating conflict. It's like rigging your house up with shotguns attached to tripwires so you can have a home-made fire-fight.

 

Is it worse to have sex with someone of your own gender, or to have sex with someone of the opposite gender without being married by the church?

 

I beleive in God, I just do not believe in religion....
I depise all Organized religions....All building a religion and beleif structure around a set of ideals does is allow a small elitest group to tell everyone else what they can and can't beleive.....

Many of the beliefs that Christians and especially Catholics hold dear are not even from the Bible.

 

Bad premise. You don't have to be married by the Church. Jews are married just as surely as Christians. Christians are told to not be "unevenly yoked" (2Corinthians 6:14) which is to say a Christian should not marry a nonchristian. But to your question, fornication and homosexuality are both acts of iniquity equal in their ability to separate us eternally from the love of God if left unrepented.

 

1st, this thread should go in the religion section
2nd, god forgives all sinners. all you gotta do is ask.

 

How odd that you reject organized religion but hold to the Sola Scriptura hallmark that defines Protestant theology. I think you're just confused.

 

Your post sounds like you got all of your theology from watching hollywood films like the Exorcist. Perhaps there are some conversations you should just duck out of. You don't see me commenting on professional sports. There's a reason for that.

 

1. Yes
2. Yes

 

I was raised Catholic so god only knows what strange beliefs they have compared to other christians. What is your religions story of Lucifer?

BTW why don't you comment on professional sports? Do you have to really know NASCAR to understand that going real fast and turning to the left may result in a crash? Do you need a full understanding of tennis to enjoy womens tennis?



Of course more to the (counter) point there's this:

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/09/non-believers_know_more_about.php

 

Amazing how so many say "I was raised Catholic" but don't know anything about the Catholic Church.

You mean what is the Christian view? Satan was an angel of glory, highly placed in the celestial hierarchy. His heart became filled with pride and he sought to supplant God. In his rebellion, he marshalled a third of the angels of heaven to his cause. He and the rebelling angels were cast out of heaven and remain in everlasting chains reserved for the judgement. This happened long before humanity ever came along.

Ha ha! Touche!

 

the son of God, Jesus of Nazarath was presumed to be homosexual by many scholars due to the fact he did not engage in sexual relations with women his whole life and was mostly historically referenced with men.

in the bible it said the prostitute that Jesus saved from a stoning was very attractive but he resisted her temptations so this is further evidence.

 

New guy here, didn't get a chance to read the entire thread, but judging by the ridiculous thread title I see no reason to.

"Will God welcome Gays into the Kingdom of Heaven"

That's like asking if the three little pigs will learn from their experience and not build houses out of anything but brick in the future. It's a fairly tale, fantasy, does not exist. I really wish people would wake up and stop thinking there is an invisible man in the sky waiting for us all.

 

Wow! You really are brave. You are unaffected by fear of looking stupid. I'm guessing that by that logic all nuns are lesbians too. The Bible does not say that Jesus was tempted by the woman he saved from stoning. You should stop before you start to sound ignorant.

Oops!

Edit: Oh yes, almost missed the little fact that you first suggested that Jesus was homosexual and then said that he was tempted by a woman. Nice going!

 

I didn't. There are translation issues that have been present for a long time.

The two languages don't translate together perfectly. The issue is present in a lot of the bible where there's no proper English word for a verse or sometimes they just translated it completely wrong.

Translations are funny that way. Especially really OLD ones. This is one reason there are so many versions of the Bible because people can't agree on the translations.

 

well all men who are tempted by women give in, it is because of biological programming. even Samson a man of God was tempted by Delilah and succumbed.

so the assertion that jesus did not give in when he was tempted by a woman must be evidence that he could have been a homosexual.