Will Israel still exist in 2048 ?

Why? You, yourself advocated for the nuking of Israel, don't you remember? We do!

 

I DO NOT remeber anyone saying it or in which context , howver dont you think there'll be dire repercussions on whichever of the crazy ME states who should be stoopid enough to use Nuclear weapons.

ON the other hand , I'm all in favour of a balance of power - it worked + still working between US - former USSR (Russia ) China - Innit ?

 

You haven't been here that long...

TJ has a habit of letting things slip once in a while...

 

The dead don't know anything. When you die it's over for keeps. And the survivors will be like the descendants of the Mayans who don't even know their own history. If the worst comes to pass there will be a new dark age in the ME.

 

Israel isn't going to be disarmed. Instead nuclear weapons will proliferate in the ME and elsewhere. The Western double standard won't matter because Western influence is going to be substantially reduced.

 

In fact - the Zionist entity called "Israel " has proved to be a threat to the region , siince its inception - + the arrival /influx of Europe's AshkeNazi Jews .

 

In all honesty , I DO NOT believe Israeli Jews - i.e. the ruling elite - are that stupid , to use employ nuclear weapons -whatever the hot heads + Bullshiners say. Nor IMO - are the Iranians.




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They arent, Erodogan is. Hes just demonizing jews because it wins him support from the people.

 

I hope you'll realize in due course , that Erdogan nore anyone else need go out of their way to "demonise " Israeli authorities
- they're doing a good job at it without anyone''s help.

cheers.

 

Yes, there was discrimination in the early days between european jews and sephardic jews. Understandable human nature, and for the most part no longer the case.

You seem to hold jews to a different standard than any other people, including yourself.Why is that? Could it be a simple as because jews are jews and you have made it rather plain how you feel about them?

Arabs discriminate against other arabs. you know Lebanese against Palestinians for example. Wanna bet Kuwatis hate Iraqis. Course the English don't discriminate at all. Neither do most euros. And the Chinese, they just luv everyone.

 

In 1920, the vast majority of the land belonged to its Arab and Jewish Palestinian inhabitants, regardless of bible writings. Since then, migration has changed the facts on the ground with most of Israel mostly belonging to Jews. Just or unjust, this is a fact on the ground and one must accept it as it is. Palestine, on the other hand, mostly belongs to Palestinian Arabs and Israelis need to accept that instead of ethnically cleansing them from their homeland. Israelis have no right to claim Palestine unless they recognize all Palestinians as being Israeli citizens.

 

Jews will never leave Israel, that would be like America giving all the land back to Indians.

Frankly you are an idiot if you think that would ever happen.

You Arabs list the war and lost Israel, move on with your life it's been over 50 years now


Its not the Jews fault Arabs are failures

 

I do not understand your post. What do you mean Jordan existed on .... same areas that is now Palestine? That is not true.

Are you trying to say that if a "people" of similar origins exist in a region then there should not be different countries, one of which might be Palestine (modern context)? Go tell that to the people of Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia and northern Argentina. Did the Latvian people cease to exist in 1215?

There is such a thing as history and political consequences. When the allies approved the carve-up of the Middle East after WW1, that created the new reality. Iraq never existed before but few argue today that the Iraqi people have no right to exist as an entity until some new political reality appears. No-one denies the existence of the Portuguese people as an entity. Nor the Namibians. The people of Alsace exist no matter whether the country is part of France or Germany. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous, and the same applies to the Palestinian people.

Your attempted argument that Palestine does not have a right to exist because there is no such historical thing as the Palestinian people, leaks logic from every pore.

What counts is that people have been living in what we now call Palestine since time immemorial. When Abram appeared on the scene, there were no Jews there. Zero, zip, nada. There were Canaanites and other tribes. As political realities changed, most, but not all, of these converted to Judaism. Modern studies suggest that the Jews originated as a religious sect amongst the people of Canaan, which progressively differentiated itself. When Jesus and the Romans got involved many of the same people converted to Christianity. And then when Mohammed created yet another new political reality most of these same people converted to Islam.

Do any of these political coincidences mean that a people with collectively similar genes lived in what we now know as Palestine for tens of thousands of years? If so, why should they not have their own territory within the confines of modern political realities?

Or, to repeat a previous question I posed to you, is your justification that Palestine in fact became almost empty at some stage, only to be filled by foreign immigrants over the past century? If so, I am happy to debate that myth, but don't continue to insult us by pretending that name changes can obliterate an indigenous people of more than 5 millennia and negate the right for there to be a country to accommodate them.

 

You ask what is racist within Israel's borders. You therefore place a condition on your debate. What was racist in the beginning was to cause an exodus of indigenous people so that you could artificially create a significant (80%) Jewish majority where one did NOT previously exist. Just like the Afrikaners did. The same!!

What you now want us to do is to forget about this massively racist ethnic cleansing that created your country, to pretend that it is not relevant, and then to progress the debate from THAT point further. Sorry, Gilos, debate cannot massaged like that. It is called a Strawman.

 

Must I read this that your position is that Palestine was practically empty 100 years ago and that Arab immigrants from elsewhere came to it and populated it to form what is now known as the Palestinians?

If so - MYTH ALERT!! MYTH ALERT!! MYTH ALERT!!

 

Who told you its a zionist dream?

zionists came to build a country to jews, they didnt even speak on borders

true that some today that call themselves zionists want to keep the west bank, my grandpa is a real zionist and he doesnt belive in keeping the west bank, many more like him,
Your "zionisting" anything that you think is crocked or wicked is just witch hunting and as clever as a mob rational

 

I donk agree with the hints you gave in your historical review but i agree - as i said - about the need to withdraw, if you can grasp the idea of immidiate threat - has nothing to do with who was first - than you'll understand the need for security BEFORE we withdraw, i think reaching an actual state if worth the bad taste or whatever reason they give for not recognizing the jewish state

 

I thinkl the fact that him and the arab governments in the region devote so much time to it, demonstrates the absurdity of your point above. Takes a lifetime of indoctrination to develope such hatred.

 

I said sparsely populated. And both Arabs and Jews immigrated to the area. Where do you see a myth?

 

Thank you for admitting what other Israeli apologists here , have persistently tried to deny .

Coz , particularly US + Israeli - Jews are constantly telling us (gentiles) , how different they are,

I feel no different towards my fellow countrymen - who for all I know , could or not be Jewish - they dont walk around with placards proclaiming that they are DIFFERENT , and reminding us of their Jewishness at every possible opportunity . By + large - IMO - they know how to behave like the rest of us.


I hope you can also appreciate the difference between -what you call - " "Understandable human nature" discrimination - and Israelis general treatment of Palestinians as . "untermensche " .

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And it appears , you've managed to be indoctrinated/developed hatred of Arabs , in less than your whole "Lifetime "


cheers. ...

 

Your grandpa + company ., are NOT decision makers , its people like Lieberman - Ysrael Beiteinu - the 300,000 illegal Settler (Colonists) Jews who hold power over the Israeli govt. West Bank policies. (Kahan Chai/Eretz Yisrael Ha-Shlema etc, ) are still alive under different disguises.

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A Zionist expressed such, and thus it is a Zionist dream.

I agree that not all Zionists share the same dream.

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm "mocking" Zionism. My intent is to just mock those who make bizarre claims in name of Zionism.

 

Judge , there's realy no need to apologise. Zionism, like Nazism/Communism, and several other "isms" might have started off with good intentions but saadly later turned out to be fekking awful in practice.

Herzl's initial idea of DER JUDENSTAAT - was very different to what Zionism = Ashkenazi Zionism became when European Jews invaded Palestine , displaced/dispossessed indigenous non-Jewish Palestinians , with its brutal terrorists tactics. Converting a land with a non-Jewish majority into one with a Jewish majority.


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In answer to the title - who knows?

For me, Israel have increasingly acted like a lunatic state during it's few decades of existance.

One prominent Jewish writer( gilad atzmon)asks the question - 'What is it about Jews that causes them to behave in a manner which is like a collective schizophernia, when they are brought together, to live in large numbers, almost exclusively'.

He goes on to point out that while the Jewish Diaspora around the world tend to be among the most liberal of people, strong in areas such as literature, that this is totally at odds with the Zionist Jews of Israel.

Then there are the Jews that claim it is actually forbidden in 'true' Judaism for this state to even exist, as (and I am not religous), 'god' scattered the Jews among the people of the earth, as a punishment to them, and they were to live among the others.

But that's the theocratic angle, which isn't really worth anything when it comes to the political side.

I am a great believer that any entity which is increasingly aggressive, oppressive, and expansionist, eventually falls on it's OWN sword, it reaches a certain pinnacle, then it flat lines.

We can see this has happened, again and again in history, the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the German Third Reich, all at one point appeared almost invincible - where are they today?

Let us also not forget that Israel relies entirely on hand out's and who steals land.

It is the ultimate welfare claimant and thief.

If people get sick enough paying them welfare, enough to pressure their own Government, then this would cripple Israel.

For me, Israel is zig zagging it's own path to doom.

But the end won't come from an external attack, per se.

It will come from the collapse of it's own malignant idealogy.