Will Israel still exist in 2048 ?

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  1. Margot

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    So why are you still receiving the largest chunk of US foreign aid for the smallest population since 1948?
     
  2. spiellgood

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    I think you were referring to the arab muslim nations, with their racist laws disallowing non-muslims from owning land, voting or holding certain professions.
     
  3. spiellgood

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    You mean the palestinians who've received more foreign aid than any group, ever?
     
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    Of course you're not, why would you be?
     
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    The Palestinians get millions.. the Israelis get billions.

    So what do you do for the US..???? Are you going to start WW3..
     
  6. Mr. Fingers

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    Because I had never come across it. Satisfied?
     
  7. MegadethFan

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    If you call me a liar, you better be prepared to back it up.

    First point - 3 bill in military aid to Israel from US:
    The Second 10-Year Plan: Proposed U.S.
    Military Aid to Israel FY2009-FY2018
    FY2009 $2.55 billion
    FY2010 $2.77 billion
    FY2011 $3.00 billion
    FY2012-2018 $3.09 billion a year
    Source: U.S. State Department
    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf


    Second point - Hamas spends the overwhelming majority of its finances on welfare programs, such as schools, hospitals etc:

    Israeli scholar Reuven Paz estimates that 90% of Hamas activities revolve around "social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Social_welfare

    The New Statesman May 7, 2007; "Using Israeli estimates, [Matthew Levitt, senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy] reckons Hamas probably has an annual budget of between $70m and $90m, 80 to 85 per cent of which it spends on its political work and its extensive networks of schools, clinics and welfare organizations, while 15 to 20 per cent goes on military operations."
    http://www.newstatesman.com/books/2007/05/hamas-palestinian-israel

    Read more on their budget:
    http://www.cfr.org/israel/hamas/p8968



    Next time you should ask for a source before you make a fool of yourself.
     
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    LOL What a load.
     
  9. spiellgood

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    I'm guessing you have difficulty with math; the arabs there have received billions in aid since 1948, far more aid per capita than any other group in history.

    What do you do for the US outside of running interference for arab muslim fascists?
     
  10. spiellgood

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    It doesn't take a lot of brains to realize that the accounting books of a terrorist group are not going to be open, accurate or transparent.

    It also doesn't take a lot of brains to know that most of their funding is from external sources like iran, and neither they nor hamas would admit to how much iran actually provides hamas each year.

    Since these facts are not in dispute, your certainty claim that hamas spends X% on anything is be definition, nonsense. Try again.
     
  11. spiellgood

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians

    "Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip receive one of the highest levels of aid in the world.[2]

    2. According to certain analyses, Palestinians are the largest per capita recipients of international development assistance in the world (Lasensky [2004]"

    Clearly your posts are consistent garbage.
     
  12. MegadethFan

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    BAHAHAHAHA! You had to manipulate your own sources in an attempt to prove your point! Epic fail. The whole of source 2. from the wiki article reads:

    According to certain analyses, Palestinians are the largest per capita recipients of international development assistance in the world (Lasensky [2004]). Hever (2005), 13, 16, and (2006), 5, 10 refutes this assessment, arguing that Israel is the biggest recipient of total foreign aid in the world. Turner (2006), 747, underscores that the US provides Israel with annual bilateral funds of US$654 per person, which is more than double what the Palestinians receive in multilateral aid. According to Le More (2005), 982, "the United States has also provided [the PNA with] considerable funds, even if they are negligible compared to what it allocates bilaterally to Israel—which alone far exceeds the level of combined international assistance to the Palestinians."

    Notice how the overwhelming majority of sources refute the claim you make??

    Sorry but I can only laugh at that comment. I'd also ask - which ones?

    Its interesting how you called me a liar, and I have shown I am not (hence you owe me an apology) but that you yourself a liar as YOUR OWN SOURCES show.
     
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    I didnt claim that - my sources did - they being an ISRAELI ANALYST, the US council on foreign affairs (one of the best analyst groups in the world) and a senior fellow form the Washington Institute. All you have given no reference as to how Hamas budget is different. Furthermore you seem confused by the fact that the allocation of Hamas funds to military (being a mere 15%-20%) INCLUDES Iranian, Saudi and all other international influxes of money.

    You are making a fool of yourself.
     
  14. Albert Di Salvo

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    megs, stop insulting the people with whom you debate. It make you look like a petulant little boy.
     
  15. MegadethFan

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    Where is the insult? Do you not think it foolish to call someone a liar, and then when the other person gives evidence they were telling the truth you dismiss them and directly precede to lie yourself?!?

    Me? Sure about that?
     
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    What some small brains cannot comprehend, is that Israel is a NATION, and its assistance from the US MUST be used to buy military equipment FROM the US. As a nation, this is not aid, it is military assistance.

    Unlike the pal arabs, the money they receive is WELFARE, handouts, to those not committed to building a real state but endlessly waging terrorism.

    So to sum it up for those too simple to understand, military assistance to another nation is not welfare aid, open ended money to be used to sustain the arabs' entire existence is aid/welfare.

    Another link:

    http://www.meforum.org/1926/does-foreign-aid-fuel-palestinian-violence

    "The Paris conference aid package continues fifteen years of international funding that has established the Palestinians as one of the world's leading per capita recipients of foreign support (see Table 1). Figures published by the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development for 2005 show that Palestinians received $304 per person in foreign aid,[4] second only to the war-torn Republic of Congo among entities with populations larger than one million. Unlike the Congo, though, the Palestinians have received such subsidies for decades."
     
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    If you had any sense you'd realize that every source you cite is a GUESS, since hamas is a terrorist group and does not admit to all of its sources of funding.

    Perhaps that concept is too grown up for you.

    Its very cute how you keep avoiding that fact in every post.
     
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    You know what, I'll hazard a guess and suggest that the analysts in question know a hell of a lot more than you do. But of course anything which doesn't comply with your agenda is immediately attacked and dismissed.
    You've been proven wrong; man-up and admit it, because you'll gain a heck of a lot more respect when you climb out of that hole you dug...
     
  20. WanRen

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    By 2048 and beyond the State of Israel will still be around, stronger, more prosperous and stable by that time also it will have full diplomatic relationship with all it's neighbors, Muslim Middle East will ceased to be Muslim they will become secularised that is why we see all the Arab uprising against their Islamic rulers demanding for a democratic Middle East.

    Palestinian will have their Independent State free from Islmic extremism that will co-exist in peace with the State of Israel and Israel will have it's capital in Jerusalem while Paletine State in Gaza City.

    A new allieance called Democratic Middle East Alliance will sprung up consist of Israel, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and Dubai.
     
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    Your facts are propaganda by terrorist network supporters, the fact is Hamas use 75% of it foreign funds to buy military hardware including missiles to be luanch against Isreal. What your math failed to show is that the UN, US and Europe have donated billions to Palestinians and most of those money were redirected by Hamas for their military use.
     
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    You just fell on your face - are not bright enough to understand how or where.

    So you're telling me, a few bloggers/think-tankers with a few guesses are solidly reliable - BUT - the IAEA, with hundreds of experts, a vast and powerful intelligence apparatus, and massive amounts of direct and physical evidence - is somehow not credible on the iranian nuclear weapons program? Oooops.

    You let us know when the hamas books are audited by a licensed accounting firm like Price Waterhouse, with all foreign and domestic hamas bank accounts included, including direct cash payments. THEN you and the other terror apologists might have "proof".
     
  23. Marlowe

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    Wishfull thnking - is it ?

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    An presumeable , going by recent trends - "Israel " will become a "Jewish state" and less "secularized " Right - ?

    IMO there's - really no point in me bothering to address the rest of yr irrelevent / diversionery - , crap.

    tatty-byeeeee.
     
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    That is pure fantasy they suffered as all non-Muslims suffer under the status of Dhimma in Muslim majority countries and suffered numerous pogroms at the hands of the Islamic Imperialist swine.
     
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    Mr. Quack, it was'nt Arabs who slaughtered 6 million , wazzit ?


    What were the runaway gyptiian slaves calling themselves - "Hebrews (Jews )" like as soon as they gained control over the land of Canaan . ?



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