Will String theory eliminate God ?

I'll just say the same about you since this is now a (*)(*)(*)(*)-throwing contest. You don't understand them!

You have no examples.

 

No one theory can eliminate God. Period.

 

And no one religion can define god. period

 

Amazing... Neither can science or Humanistic views or even Atheistic views... which means that Atheists are dead set to attempt to deny something that they cannot define in such a manner as to make that definition irrefutable.....

 

It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that is the least bit science minded knows the importance of the mathematician Kaluza's theory that extended general relativity to a five-dimensional spacetime, including Mr Venik. I see no one here is bashing the work that has went into string theory Kmisho, at least not I. Nevertheless I am bashing the double standard of science for its seeming need to embrace secular non predictive theory and other items that would tend to evidence the non existence of GID*. and reject others that are non predictive. Most of the ‘others’ tend to have a GID friendly predisposition. Anyway, I think in time string theory will be proven wrong. Its too complicated and has been around too long with too little real verification. I see it as the ‘God did it’ of science. Researchers at CERN or experimenters hoping to find the extra dimensions needed to validate SUSY and related type applications . That said I would not be surprised if the universe consisted on only one dimension. I am hoping to see someone more learned than I work on the concept of our universe being the normal 3D version but manifesting from our (in reality) one dimensional universe. For now I am throwing in with the one dimensional crowd even if it can not be tied to the relatively new holographic universe theory.

RevA

 

I hope so because if Causality is not able to exist in a atemoral realm it would damage the KCA.

Give us a reason to think there is no god ha ha! I can give you many reasons to think that God is the best answer for some 'unanswerable by LP secular science questions', much better answers than assuming 'nothing did it'! Religion is libel to be inaccurate however I feel any free thinking person would choose the idea the God exists over the many atheist positions.

Maybe you should present evidence to back up your claim that his statements are incorrect? So far you have only offered your opinion. While I respect your opinion above several atheists here, sources and validations are always a good credibility building thing eh?

RevA

 

You are selectively (I hope ignorant and have repeatedly misread my post and twisted the meaning of what I said. I thought you were above that. In a way it confirms what I have suspected all along. You would say anything when caught in a lie or when slandering someone that catches you in one of your silly fabrications. These traits of yours expose you as undereducated in the subjects discussed in this thread. Here is proof I addressed your complaint several pages back. You conveniently ignored my reply so here it is again, I placed it in bold and in red in hopes that you might actually see it this time. Or are you selectively blind AND ignorant?

Here AGAIN the same information for the THIRD time, is my rebuttal to your slander that I said and meant a photon is massless (I said exactly the opposite as follows). Oh are you wondering what those things in paragraphs are? Those are called verification and sources, something you seem to know nothing about! These are excerpts from my rebuttal to Kismos deceptions, they are from a few pages back ;

RevA I described why the photon in my example had mass did you miss it? A photon is not truly massless however its commonly called massless i.e.;

Photon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The photon is massless, has no electric charge, and does not decay
spontaneously in empty space. A photon has ...... Further info: What is the mass of
a photon? ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

Or;
Does light have mass?
Aug 5, 1997 ... The definition of the invariant mass of an object is m = sqrt{E2/c4 - p2/c2}. By this
definition a beam of light, is massless like the photons it is ...
www2.corepower.com:8080/~relfaq/light_mass.html

Or
What is the mass of a photon?
Does the photon have mass? ... Photons are traditionally said to be massless. ...
Newton defined the "momentum" p of this particle (also a vector), such that p ...
math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/.../photon_mass.html -

So that is why I said a photon is massless and of course I defined how it could be both said to be massless and have mass, so I do not understand why you have a problem with what I said.


I had attempted to repair our rift by taking a chance and offering friendship. However, your hateful slanderous and fabrications have again destroyed that. See why I again have near zero respect for you? I would kick any friend to the curb for being so disingenuous, you have cheapened this forum with your outright fabrications and deceptive actions. Thanks for nothing.

Ha ha you 'have no use' because you have been exposed and caught in several lies and deceptions. You can not support nor vindicate your SSELF SERVING comments. You are no longer someone that I respect.

RevA

 

I am responding to the OP- we're 207 posts into this and looking at them, there is little to learn.

String theory says that reality is "floating and twisting flying pizza doughs in the air" called membranes. Whenever two membranes collide at a point, it triggers a Big Bang. That Big Bang forms at the point of impact of the collision and is an order of degree a smaller place where the biggest things are galaxies- a trillion times smaller than the membrane itself.

As such, we live in infinite space simply because the membrane is a trillion trillion trillion times bigger than us.

The membranes themselves exist in an 11 dimension state from which we can only see four dimensions.

This removes the need for a God but it does not settle the question:

Where did the membranes come from? If not from "a higher God" then "they simply exist; they always exist".

I still don't see God removed from the equation.

 

I agree science can't define god. atheism can't define god. Humanists can't define god.

Religion attempts to define god, but which god? The god of the jews, the god of the christians the god of the muslims, the god of the hindus, the god of the sihks etc. etc. etc.

All that different dogma and ritual all claiming to do it in the name and command of their god and we HUMANS can't agree. Is the Pope any less holy than the imam of the grand mosque or the brahmin guru or the chief rabbi?
Should all of them have a place in heaven because they are righteous and strive to live a sin free life?

 

Yes that is because much of it is off topic.

Yes stringie' theory is pure mathematical speculation, and its mathematical speculation that uses concepts that do not work in the real world. I.e. the math and such uses 'plugs' to 'bridge gaps' in the theory to make it work. Without these patches even the math would fail.

Now, now Kismo, I do see the steam coming from those pointy ears, however read my lips; "I am keenly aware that mine a very general vague statement". Its that way to make the post shorter without going into the tech aspects of string theory etc. Nevertheless, I will expand and sharpen the focus providing sources and detailed explanation of my claims if it is challenged or if a member would like clarifications, or a detailed tutorial on string theory.

So in summary ; If I have to choose a new theory to go along with the standard Big Bang theory (one universe hot model), I will choose the recently made pubic one dimensional universe feeling it is preferable to ungodly amount of dimensions to the insane amount of dimensions and universes of string theory. Additionally classical big bang theory has the strength of evidence etc to support its conclusions and extra universes with their speculative quantum gravity need not reply. One universe explains our world just lovely.

Yes according to theory, with no tangible or empirical verification. Not one iota really.

Of course, not being nitpickey my friend, if a number is quotes, any number no matter how large, be it a trillion or a Pea Uh trillion zillion bezillion is not infinite. I will say that physicists generally say any number larger than ten to the hundredth power is for all intensive purposes infinite even if not technically so. AcAccording to the theory which has either tangible evidence or empirical evidence to back it up.

According to the theory which has either tangible evidence or empirical evidence to back it up. And we can not see the dimensions. They exist as coordinates on a medium.

Well the Membranes need no source if the theory of quantum gravity etc is correct. Because the theory states and I am being exceedingly general and vague here for a reason, the theory states in at least one version that the Universe is infinitely cyclical and has been rebounding forever. It’s really a suckie’ theory with no redeeming properties. It’s going to waste years maybe decades while brain draining our brightest and best to work on the stringy monster. HEY! Maybe the stringy monster is the FSM cuz!

String theory is a lot like the FMS theory eh? Ha ha...

Thanks jmpet for your good post and thoughts! You bring up some interesting ideas and conclusions.

RevA

 

What is a"Kismo"?

 

God is not a theory. Since thousands of years millions or even billions of people are reporting about their religious experiences and their ideas in god. That's a very wide spectrum of very different views - perhaps comparable with a gigantic gallery of arts. A very nice mathematical construction besides a very emtional life and very thoughtful social constructions - a wonderful philosophical view besides a very naive - neverthelless unbelievable worthful - deed of compassion and so on and so on. Perhaps I can say: Every instrument sings the song of god in its own special color. Every color is made of red-green-blue, every christian faith is made of the father, the son and the holy spirit. But it makes no sense to produce a theory of the color of god - even if he is the color of our mind. In the moment we try to do so we will understand that we are not able to understand god in a satisfying way - but lots and lots of people made the experience that this is not so important because god is love, god is reason,
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'Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; those who seek find; and to those who knock, the door will be opened. 'Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. http://youtu.be/YaqQnhBtxaI

 

First while science has no proof of the existence of God it can produce evidences of the existence of God. Can't is such a negative world. I would agree that humans probably can not understand God completely in the same way a bacteria can not understand micro biology.

The God that created the universe.

Your sentenace should have read as follows; "The god of the Jews, the god of the Christians the god of the Muslims, the god of the hindus, the god of the sihks " are all the one God that created the Universe.

Anyway~

As we said religion attempts to define than attributes of God. The religious must make the choice that best fits their evidence and beliefs. Personally save for the loss of their eternal life, I do not care what those of other religions think about Christianity and my version of God, I am highly secure in my beliefs. I can only tell (minister, and witness) to them what I believe to be truth and hope that they convert from whatever idea of God they worship and come to the best most accurate description of God, i.e. the Christian religion.

I understand the reasons for the other religions. Its my belief that we all get a second chance to convert our atheisms and other religions after death. If we don’t its worse than anything because we have a chance of being tossed into the lake of fire. However most will go to sheol (generally translated as the grave)

Maybe we feel they should however if they do not accept Jesus as Christ lord and savior, repent for their sins they will not go to heaven but rather to Sheol.

RevA

 

It's the misspelling of a member's name. Is it intentional ?

RevA

 

True that this conversation is over, because you have no idea what you're tlaking about.

 

Maybe one day we can actually have a conversation, but that will not happen until you can admit you're wrong when you're wrong.

 

Granny says, "Dat's right - God created the universe - like it says inna Bible...

String Theory Co-Founder: Sub-Atomic Particles Are Evidence the Universe Was Created
June 17, 2016 | Dr. Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist at the City College of New York (CUNY) and co-founder of String Field Theory, says theoretical particles known as “primitive semi-radius tachyons” are physical evidence that the universe was created by a higher intelligence.

 

String theory might get you to think as such, but NOTHING will eliminate God.

 

What if you met somebody that believed the earth is not a sphere, and that space is not what we have been led to believe? What if that person told you, God was found, or at least His firmament, thus proof of the creator. And to keep their power structure in play, they kept God from us. Continuing the deception, and one that is so massive, they not only own the deception, but have others bringing forth theories to the deception. Meaning we can't get away from the deception, merely adhere to it, our minds cannot fathom a different reality.

Go stand outside, what do your God given senses tell you? God does not work in trickery or deception. Are you on a mary-go-round spinning at 1,040 mph?