Will Trump Turn On The Entire Country?

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  1. MissingMayor

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    Actually the ethics rule is from the APA and it is being challenged. While mostly because of the obvious case that Trump presents, but also because the method for diagnosis has changed to be based on observed behavior as opposed to interviews. And with Trump in 2019 we have a ton of observed behavior.

    And the rule was only added in the 70's.
     
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    Jaundiced eyes make jaundiced observations.
     
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    If you are a creator, PLEASE create a pair of hearing aids for me that can tune out noises from more than five feet away while lowering the frequency of human voices to a level I can hear intelligibly and cost about what a top-rated set of noise-cancelling headphones would cost. I swear, you'd be my hero. I refuse to pay $5,000 or more for the trash being offered to us now.
     
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    I believe his base will turn on him.

    They generally turn on people they supported vociferously...

    The Bushes, McCain, Romney, Nixon, every other "RINO"...

    I suspect if Reagan were still around, he'd be first in line to condemn this current wretch of a person, and so the silver lining that surrounds him would disappear.
     
  5. precision

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    No I am not confused. You just do not understand what has been put forward, so let me spell it out for you.

    By faulting the Democrats for having a 'the devil made me do it BS' attitude, you appear to want us to believe that you are independent. If you are indeed independent, that means that you ALONE are responsible for everything that happens to you, INCLUDING ANY HARM. However at the same time you are blaming the Democrats for harming the US. You are a part of the US, so in essence you are blaming them for harming you. But you want us to believe that you are independent. If that is so, you should bear the sole responsibility for any harm that you might incur from any source.

    Therefore you blaming the Democrats is inconsistent.

    Get it?
     
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    Unfortunately, that is not my field, because I agree with you. $5-6K for a set of hearing aids is one of the most questionable values in life.
     
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    Crap...
    Yeah. The technology is already there. It's just that those who manufacture the devices are insanely fixated on maximizing profits. I had a pair of those $5G things and about all they did was amplify annoying sounds from far away and did nothing for human voices near me. I turned off the Surround Sound on my TV, but the background noises and music still make it really hard for me to understand what's being said. I looked at sound bars, but it would be so much simpler if I could just decrease or switch off all the background noise.
    I need a hero!
     
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    Oh I certainly do- you are the confused one.
    The first principle that applies to all of us (and taught in my classes for several years) is this:
    "Every individual is responsible to and for themselves, and that includes everything you think, do, say or feel".

    Nature made that law- it applies to every living thing, and while you can ignore or deny... it still applies, and the end result they create is the same . That means you lose. I respect natures rules- and I win.

    I've lived by that and a two other principles for 35 years now, with great success. Of course, since I hold myself responsible for all my actions and accept that as a law of nature, It also applies to you- and everyone else; whether they know it or accept it or not. Knowing them and living them gives you power over life. Most people lack that.

    So if we have a car wreck and you have run a red light- My responsibility is that I know people may run red lights, and thus I should have acted more cautiously to protect myself. By accepting that, I learn to be more careful, and my consequence is the inconvenience and possible pain that I can't transfer to you. However, you are responsible for running the light and violating the law, and for the damages caused by your actions. Your insurance company pays my loss, your rates go up... Accurate responsibility for both sides. There are always variable factors, but in the overall- it is very consistently accurate. Of course your record gets worse; you you may also have to fix your own car.

    Got it yet? Probably not.

    The democrats are responsible for what they do- AND the damage they cause.... so are the republicans.

    You ca't see that because you need any new concept to fit neatly into what you already believe- so the same problems reoccur in some way, over and over for you.
     
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  10. precision

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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    What you can't see is that by blaming the Democrats for harming the country, you are blaming them for harming you by extension. Therefore you have destroyed any notion that you would like to put forward concerning your independence.
     
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    It's not the cost of making the devices that is so outrageous- it is the cost of developing them, packing so many capacities into a pea-size electronic circuit. Costs are huge, my friend says. Might contact a small outfit in Lake Elsinore CA, fixyourears.com. Sells hearing aids at about 30% of retail.
     
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    As I said, you can't accept anything that does not fit into what you already believe, Seen it a thousand times- people locked in by the limits of what they believe and refuse to question. Like having a faulty scale, and testing a replacement by comparing it to the old. Nothing ever changes. My blaming democrats for bad behavior does not create consequence- their actions cause that. I hold them responsible for their actions.

    It's not up to me to change your perception to something more accurate; that is your responsibility- and the consequences of such conclusions are yours as well.
     
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    It would be hilarious to see Trump turn on his simple minded base?!!

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    Democrats never gave Trump a chance from the beginning and that is one of the reasons he will be reelected in 2020. They couldn't stand that their queen lost. Trump wanted to work on infrastrucuture, Pelosi walked away.
     
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    Yeah not that you have reflexively dissed Trump voters without evidence or proof, do you feel better?
     
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    To answer the OP question, he already has turned on the country. If you’re asking, will it get worse when he loses the 2020 election? Will the man-child act like a man-child, does a bear **** in the woods?
     
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    I agree the technology is there. I looked into creating a phone app a few years ago that would “learn” voices you wanted amplified and or isolated from background noise. It was going to cost more to go get the existing technology to create the app than we figured it was worth. But it was out there. I’m sure by now it would be easy to fit in a hearing aid. Imagine being able to hear the people you want to hear and program others out. Like call blocker on your phone! What old (or deaf) dude wouldn’t like that!

    Crowd source fund it and do it yourself. :)
     
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    The Russia hoax failed, his approval is 7 points up on election day 2016, he has every chance of winning office a second time.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    This is a good one folks! A case of standard textbook projection.

    Let me draw pictures for you brother. Its like this, I have a son who is in his early teens whom I love very much. I love him so much, that although we are different persons, that bond of love is so strong that for practical purposes, he is an extension of my self in the sense that if he experiences pain, I feel some of that pain myself. If someone does something to harm him, I also feel that I have been harmed.

    Now having drawn that picture out for you, perhaps you can figure out what I said.

    Have fun!!!!
     
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    And what you think you feel and why is controlled- by how you think. Of course, most parents feel pain if their children hurt- because they are biologically part of them. Mama bears will clean your plow if you even come close to her cubs But when those cubs reach a certain age, she boots them out and they are on their own. She has fulfilled the obligation to HERSELF to reproduce- that is not an obligation to the cubs, but to herself. When that is done, she cuts the cord. Your sympathy and empathy for your kids comes from your own perception and value of the structure. That's not criticism, it's just the way it works.

    You failed to under stand what I said- pretty much completely. Not surprising. I've had respected psychologists come to the classes I used to teach, to learn the process I developed- and one in particular asked me to give him a few psyche interviews about my own history. After the third one, he had a question: How did you get from where you had to be to where you are now? Who helped you? When I told him I had no help- he said, "That's impossible. Can't be done". But he also acknowledged that I had done what he claimed could not be done. So I asked him- If I can do this, and I can explain how it works in such simple language- why don't you think others can learn too? We spent about an hour discussing the barriers to altering your fundamental principles, the foundation that limits our thinking. He agreed with my conclusion that what you think is the product of a much deeper mental configuration- of HOW you think. Elements of the subconscious, dictating limits to the conscious process. Psychologist never tell their clients a principle answer directly, because that would be in conflict and automatically gets rejected- just as you do. So they try to drag people around the problem, trying to get them in a position to recognize it on their own, which is the only way change is possible. The people most likely to get it are either super achievers, most of whom had it right since childhood thanks to great parents, or people who have hit bottom so hard it shattered everything they ever believed... and they started over from scratch. If you are not in one of those categories, you probably think you have it right and blame the rest of the world for not seeing it your way.... despite continuing evidence that you aren't getting the result you think you should. Never question what you believe; that way you won't need to change anything. You see I question and test what I believe everyday, and the answers confirm or cause me to make corrections- and the lesson only gets better.

    I'm not trying to demean you or insult you in anyway. All people have limitations in how they think of things; limits to their satisfactions in life. What bothers me is that so much of what is possible for people is blocked by themselves, and they can't see it. Kind of like starving in a garden of plenty, not seeing the forest for the trees. Maybe you are satisfied with it all- but I suspect you still believe it should be a lot better.

    I quit teaching lifeskills because I got tired of people demanding that the solutions fit neatly into what they already thought they knew, fighting off all the logic that could change their life. Too much time wasted on people not ready to learn. I never tried to teach people what to think- just how the mechanism works, so they could find and make the most of what they had. Everybody is capable of that, if they can escape the handicap they impose on themselves.

    An old Chinese proverb explains it pretty well.
    "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear". The teachers aren't usually people- the best one is mother nature, and it's everywhere- and the principles of life it teaches are visible to all those ready to see... but invisible to those who aren't.
    Animals don't delude themselves as we do; they all understand- which is why millions of species have thrived for millions of years, without the hindrance of religions, laws, governments and all the tools we think we need to keep us from killing ourselves. I think most people die without ever putting it together, so I am very, very fortunate that it only took me 35 years to figure out.
     
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    Of course he is. Trump surrounds himself with these kinds of people in case you haven’t noticed.
     
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    This old deaf dude would love it. I like the call blocker idea. I actually had one of those hearing aid apps on my phone a few years back. It's a great idea, but a flawed reality because the only thing it did was increase the volume a bit, and only if I wore earphones.
     
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    Trump is going out scorched earth.

    Nixon resigned because he knew the Presidency was more important than he is.

    IF it comes to that, Trump has no such sense of duty or loyalty,.

    And if the election doesn’t go his way, he will scream voter fraud and hint vaguely about using some imaginary executive power to extend his term........(oh, he already did that!).
     
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    The technology is already there and continues to improve. The cost of developing them can't be that high after all these years. TV sound bars for hard of hearing folks use AI and allow for user adjustment--just like my old hearing aids from about six years ago. But even as time goes on and the technology becomes common place, the retail cost continues to be outrageous. I'd say that has more to do with price agreements with insurance companies.
     
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    Instead of the Divider-in-Chief using his massive Twitter platform of 63 million followers to write a message about healing or uniting the country one week after two horrifying massacres he spread a deranged conspiracy theory, tying the death of pedophile Jeffrey Epstein in prison to the president's former political rivals the Clinton's.
     
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