Will Trump Turn On The Entire Country?

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    The Russian communist dictator, Vladimir Putin, helped Trump become President. The GRU, Russian military intelligence, hacked DNC computers, turned the hacked files over to WikiLeaks and the result was a four month daily barrage of leaks right up to election day designed to weaken the Clinton campaign.

    This was encouraged by Trump himself. He knew he was being helped by Putin. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” he said “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

    5 times Trump praised WikiLeaks during his 2016 election campaign ... https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wikileaks-campaign-speeches-julian-assange-2017-11

    Putin chose Trump to become our President.
     
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    My idea was supposed to filter everything but your voice on the phone microphone. So when your wife calls when you’re with your mistress you’re wife doesn’t hear the mistress asking “who is that”? Actually it was more for motorcycles and privacy in business dealings but it would have limitless possibilities.

    I think we are being fed technology slowly. It seems to exist for quite a while before it’s marketed widely.

    So as to not derail the thread completely, I don’t see Trump doing anything but hitting the links and tweeting a little if he loses an election.
     
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    This poster continues his practice of avoiding Trump. He is a Trump supporter who rarely mentions Trump ... what Trump has said and done. He is a Trump supporter whose favorite subject is the Democrats, but it is anyone not named Trump.
     
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    If you weren’t serious I would think you were joking. If you think trumps values or would build the nation and improving the country then you are a typical Trumper who would defend him no matter what. No president has ever divided the country like he has. He chooses people who are not competent and who are criminals and they have to resign or get indicted. He is a pathological liar who has lied over 10,000 times and he talks to his base like they are stupid
     
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    You don’t have to be a psychiatrist to know what a narcissist is. A narcissist is one who lacks compassion and who lies pathologically to elevate himself. I bet you actually believe that he had the largest inauguration. I bet you believe that he gave the biggest tax cut. I bet you believe that the economy has never been better. I can go on with his lies but his base will support him no matter what His true narcissism came out when he went to see the victims in El Paso and started talking about himself. The fact that you don’t see it speaks volumes
     
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    Trump won't "turn on the entire country" until AFTER he loses in 2020.

    At that point, I would fully expect him to cry "voter fraud", barricade himself into the WH, and try to start WW3.
     
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    Problem there is we really don't know for sure, thus we speculate. I have no doubt that pricing in often what the traffic will bear- but usually when technology changes, it starts out ridiculous- then greed sets in and competition winds up driving the price down dramatically. I hope it does, of course. Still by shopping- I can buy top line aids that list for $7k for $2500. New stuff on TV looks somewhat similar, sells for $600. I have no idea how they compare, but I would think that would be enough money to do the job right.
     
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    The problem with the left is the total inability to be realistic- and the insistence on a double standard. I don't claim Trump is perfect, or anything close. He plays hardball, and no doubt bulldozes some situations. He's often not diplomatic when he should be, and he doesn't play to people the way politicians always have. Of course, the world of politics is a far more vicious and treacherous one than most people realize- if you aren't tough, you would get eaten alive. Politics is a dogfight- and chihuahuas never win; it takes a pit bull. Most politicians simply hide that from the public, because we like to think we have elected "Jesus class" people. That's a form of denial, ignorance of reality on the part of the people, and the politicians encourage it. Trump is the first president who isn't feeding you BS about his personality in every word- and not apologizing for who he is. If you want to think of him as an SOB, fine- but remember that he's your SOB, on your side, working for your benefit. Clinton faked being on your side, but was never on any side but her own.

    Trump hasn't divided the country- the democrats have. They started it the moment Trump said he might run for office, with unrestrained mockery, insult, slander- and backed that up with the corrupt dossier, and with Clinton calling his supporters "deplorable"... basically a personal insult to the entire republican party and conservatives. When you lead the charge to incivility and discard your own self-respect for political gain- when you demean all your competition openly in public- a lot of good, moral people are going to recognize that as political garbage, and the people that do it as having no morals. That has divided the country. It is the democrats who have left the center and become fringe dwellers, all out of emotion rather than balanced reason.

    Democrats used to be a different lot altogether, and while not in agreement with the republican side, still respected and considered. Now you have things like Maxine Waters, a member of congress publicly encouraging attacks on republican supporters in private places like restaurants. Encouraging insult, slander, and abuse openly; encouraging covert sabotage by their corrupt efforts such as the dossier, and the extreme bias that had been tolerated in the Obama administration, allowing people like Strozok to hold positions of authority. The list of things qualifying as immorality and corrupt character is long and ugly, and growing everyday as more is uncovered in investigations.

    Just as spoiled children, small or teenagers, like to think they know it all and their parents are stupid- that is the path corrupt democratic leaders are taking their party. Sadly- a lot of democrats are following without question, without stepping back to take a look at the larger picture. We know that every time one of them does do that- Trump's election stats go up. So while we hate to see them losing it, we know that the farther outside of reality they go, the less their chances of seizing the power they want so desperately.

    Think of Trump like you might have of General George Patton. He pissed off a lot of his seniors, he made mistakes, didn't follow orders... but he won battles like nobody else, and while the Germans considered him the best General the allies had, our politicians hated him for his disdain of their weakness and his open criticism of their stupid mistakes. Trump is winning, in spite of the endless barrage of trash thrown by desperate democrats. They look the worse for it- not him.
     
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    He is a narcissistic sociopath. Google the general definition. Donald Trump checks every single box.
     
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    I don’t know where you got the idea that Trump plays hardball.

    It must be because of his constant bellowing and chest thumping. It certainly isn’t because of his skill as a negotiator.

    He’s the biggest snowflake ever to occupy the Oval Office, constantly whining and wailing about his press coverage.

    And he is being eaten alive in the world of politics, something he has no real interest in and has failed to even begin to understand after nearly three years in office.
     
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    Tell us about this again at the next election. Apparently you would have put one of the most treacherous and corrupt politicians in our lifetimes in office, who doesn't play hardball, she just cheats and ignores the rules all together- in office and you would feel good about it. Your opinion is irrelevant, and it appears you ability to keep score accurately is about the same.

    The dems aren't freaking out because they are winning anything.... but because they are getting their butts kicked everyday for the stupid and desperate moves they keep making, and keep losing. You can blame Trump for that, he's the one they can't beat. Hardball.
     
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    Trump picked Scaramucci as his Director of Communications.

    Trump has brayed that Trump only picks the "BEST PEOPLE!"

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    Scaramucci never made such an absurd claim.
    Trump turned on the United States long ago. His befouling the nation in multiple respects will soon feature the last hold out - the economy that had expanded for over ten years.

    The Trump Recession is becoming more inevitable.


    The reality tv entertainer, casino operator, and founder of the venerable Trump® U, acclaimed by neo-nazis and other white supremacists as their "God Emperor!" and their "Glorious Leader!" overcame his bone spurs to lead the nation to war:

    Meanwhile, his vow to rebuild the nation's infrastructure has consisted of digging a big hole:
    Trump signs budget bill as experts warn he's on track to add trillions to U.S. debt
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...llion-national-debt-watchdog-says/1893228001/

    [​IMG]

    "I'M THE KING OF DEBT!"

    Oh, yeah.​



     
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    As I see it...$2500 is way over the top. Hearing aids have no more technology and innovation than phones, so those $600 hearing aids are more aligned with cost and a reasonable profit. There isn't much competition in the field as far as I can tell. Some of those low end devices are made by companies that don't seem to be terribly serious about marketing quality, affordable hearing aids.
     
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    Trump already turned on our country. But Trump like the red white and blue flag, the Russian one.
     
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    Trump sure knows his base...You are aware that you made up every excuse in the book for his despicable behavior and quickly blamed his behavior on Democrats. Maybe you don’t care that he’s pissing off people. It would be great if I had your kid in my class and I called him an idiot or a pencil neck or something... but I was a great teacher I guess that would be OK
     
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    No I understood what you said before you said it. You are saying things that many others have said many times. It is nothing new. However, your response indicates that you did not understand what I said, so we are going to go slow, take our time and walk through this step by step so that there is no confusion.

    Consider these points

    Point 1 - If you love the US, then you will also feel hurt if you perceive that someone or something is hurting it.
    Point 2 - You have accused the Democrats of dodging responsibility because they blame others for their problems
    Point 3 - You have accused the Democrats for hurting the US
    Point 4 - You would have us believe that you are independent

    If you are indeed independent, then you alone are responsible for whatever you might experience in life, whether it be happiness or distress. Therefore you cannot be independent and at the same time blame others for any hurt you might feel. Because you have accused the Democrats of hurting the US, you have also implicitly put blame on the Democrats for hurting you, because if you love the US, then you will feel hurt as well when someone is hurting it. Therefore you are blaming others for whining while at the same time whining yourself. Therefore your position is inconsistent.
     
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    Trump is NOT your teacher, caretaker, nanny or anything else- he's the senior leader in the government. It's his job to be critical when it is appropriate. i hold him responsible for his behavior- it is the democrats that blame everything on him, most of it illusions; and I hold them responsible for theirs. If you are blind, you're blind- and the only person who can control that kind of blindness is you. You have a problem- it's not mine. Deal with it

    Sorry you lack the ability rise above the delusions. But- it's clear that you can't entertain any other realities than what you believe. Independent does not mean you ignore what people do, or the harm they cause- it means you think for yourself, and act accordingly. It means when you walk through the cow pasture and step in it- you realize that you failed to look where you are going, instead of blaming the cow for it's natural processes. Democrats want everything to suit them so they don't have to think of pay attention. Immature, juvenile, childish- and totally impractical.
     
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    Sorry but if you are independent THEN YOU ARE NOT IN NEED OF ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY OR ANY OUTSIDE SOURCE. And since YOU NEED TO LOVE OTHERS AND BE LOVED BY OTHERS just like everyone else, you are not independent. YOU ARE DEPENDENT ON LOVE MY FRIEND. You need to be humble and admit that so that you can move forward.

    Reminds me of the words from a famous song - make me do for love what I would not do

    Here's the great Dr Laksmi Narayana Subramaniam and his wife the great Kavita Krishna Murti Subramaniam.

    Raga Bhairavi!!!

     
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    Looks like the "Mooch" is trying to position himself for a spot on MSNBC.
     
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    Love, Schm-ove....sounds like a bunch of BS to me.
     
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    So he is an expert on obama......
     
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    You are defining "independent" as in no need for anything, probably not even toilet paper. This is typical of the clash in philosophies today- people discarding logic and reason to try and win an argument.

    On a social basis, independence simply means you can do for yourself. THINK for yourself. SUPPORT yourself. It means that you don't "take" from others- as in you can't get by without them. An independent person can meet their needs by alternative sources rather than feeling trapped by one or using others- and you have to have the moral strength to maintain that. IF you can, your relationships become mutually beneficial and totally voluntary, not ones of control and domination or submission. Freedom of the heart and spirit develops from that, indeed such a person becomes wealthy in ways most never think is possible.

    You are thinking of love as dependency? Then, you are unable to love- and unable to be loved. You don't believe that, but you mentally are using a mutual dependency as a substitute for the real thing, like a business deal where I do for you so you owe me. Trading... A transactional relationship. Absolutely wrong; not love- and a huge tell.

    The first paper I ever wrote for my lifeskills classes in 1985 was called "The Gift of Love". Here's the first few lines for you to think on:

    "Love is a Gift.
    Love exists ONLY as a Gift.
    Love can be desired, but not required- for then it becomes obligation and duty..."


    Obligation and duty- AKA, Dependency, and that is not love. You can't actually love anyone else or accept love from anyone else until you have learned to love yourself- come to the point where you alone can provide all your basic emotional needs to the point that you no longer "needy" for love. Once you accomplish that- then and only then can love become a gift. That is the point at which your independence transforms you. You can give love freely without loss or expectation, you can accept it as a genuine gift instead of a payment owed to you. Awesome place to be; the basis of the best possible marriages.
    ONLY possible when the people involved are able to provide love as a gift.

    Now you won't understand that- won't see the possibility, because you are using the same perceptions most people are about these things. That is why most people get divorced, why so many of those who don't are just tolerating failed marriages, and so few have the capacity to genuinely gift anything- even charitable gifts are usually made to buy some sort of good feeling. True gifts do not exist in the worlds of such people. They once did not exist in mine- I am very fortunate to have found out how to change that. I've donated a lot of time trying to teach people how, and ran into very few people who had the capacity to learn- most are just no where close to being ready and able to do that.

    Go ahead, call that BS- and of course at the same time.... hope it's true and that some how you could get it for yourself. It's possible, it's not even hard. The hard part is throwing out the trash that stands between you and hides the path to it.
     
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    We may agree that it is his job to be critical when it is appropriate, but where we differ is what we think is appropriate. It is not only my problem, that he is a dangerous narcissistic pathological liar....it should be yours too, but he knows how to manipulate his base
    I laugh at your extremism..your last line is hysterical but I bet you don’t see the hypocrisy..so “immature juvenile and childish”
     
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    While you call "liar", perhaps you should do some homework. Trump to date has broken 6.9% of his campaign promises, according to politifact. Obama- broke 24.2%.
    You might consider that some "lies" are far more relevant than others.

    One never should expect those who peddle junk ideas to actually acknowledge it. The double standard of proof, of fact, of logic- is being perfected by the left, taken to a level no one would have believed possible for rational people just a couple generations ago. Childish- you attack what doesn't agree with what you want to hear; you deny the obvious, declare the ridiculous- the only people who have always done that are children, until today. Now, we have 35 year old children doing it. And older... people who never psychologically matured, boys who have never become men. Yes there are some on both sides- but they are being embraced and encouraged on the left..... and criticized on the right.

    Rosanna Arquette: "I'm sorry I was born white and privileged- I feel so much shame". She was born in 1960- right into the hippie age, where we no longer raised our kids to be adults- we just let them grow and gave them Ritalin. Now you may have no problem with that kind of corrupted capacity. You may be one who wants us all to feel guilty for existing, for having pride, for insisting our children develop strong and independent character, for working to build a better life for our children and grandchildren- that would not surprise me at all. It should not surprise you that I see that attitude as parallel to that of small children, regardless of the age. It's the dream of socialism- everybody has a nanny, the money comes from the magic tree in the forest.

    A politicians support from the guy on the street, the average person- can be measured by where the contributions come from. Trump's small contributor share continues to grow- now 61% of his total re-election fundraising has come from small donations, under $200. Mainstream popularity, growing steadily. Trump is coming..... again. Deal with it.
     
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    Fake Don wimps out yet again - as everybody, including China, knew he would.
    Of course, the fraud's pattern is vapid bluster, followed by retreat and sniveling.
     

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