Will we eventually have to bite the bullet and forcibly repatriate illegal immigrants?

Maybe it would have gone better for them if they were "sanctuary tribes" with free goodies for the settlers?

 

This gets into the endless arguments about pulling historical figures out of the context of their time and applying modern standards to their behavior. The Aztecs built pyramids and had houses that were comparable to the Europeans. They were not nomads who roamed from one place to another.

The British in the post 1500s were called “civilized” yet their methods of torture and execution were barbaric. They continued to be that way until the early 1800s. Then they toned it down a little.

“Civilized” is a relative term. You had Shakespeare writing plays and sonnets while the government was beheading and torturing people, in pubic and more privately at the Tower of London.

The woke Government that runs New York City wants to tear down every stature of George Washington because he owned slaves. Most of the southern gentleman in Washington’s time owned them. Washington had qualms about slavery, started to dismantle the system as part of his will. Yet that does not matter to a woke politician. This gives them an excuse to further their goal of burying and obliterating American history to replace it with their Marxist interpretations.

If there were a Stalin statue in New York would they pull it down? He killed millions, more than Hitler, actually. I guess we could have a debate with them.

 

It’s obvious your mind is made up. Debating the issue with you is a waste of time.

 

Democrats have finally gotten their new slaves in country, and here you are trying to take them away from them again... shocking... LOL

 

If your answer is no, you support the Europeans taking the continent from the natives, is that correct?

And what's hypocritical?

 

That's true they do seem to think that. Eventually a more advanced culture would have taken it from hunter gathers. That seems to be one of the oldest lessons of history.

 

But you seem to support them being dispossessed of their land and reduced to a pittance of their previous numbers.

That seems weird!

 

It is my belief that an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, [Ruach ha Kodesh to the Jews], is beginning that will alter the entire formula and make it possible to keep them here.

Illegal immigrants to the USA and Canada could fairly easily form into film production cooperatives and kibbutzes and companies and the footage that they produce could become an important part of almost any local economy.

Here is the bullet that we will actually have to bit... from a Canadian view point.....

Your theology and a Basic Minimum Income?


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Should believers in Pro-Life support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income?

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   I am Pro-Choice and I DO NOT support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income
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   I am Pro-Choice and I support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income.
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Change Your Vote

and yes... local groups could use a B. M. I. that is financed in a wise manner to assist illegal immigrants to become residents and eventually citizens.....



http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ly-spirit-far-beyond-acts-chapter-two.588078/




"Brace Yourself"... .for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit far beyond Acts chapter two.

 

In our society, a person earns what he/she is WORTH to our free-market capitalist economy... ditch-diggers or brain surgeons, it's the same principle. If a person is worth 9% more in compensation -- great! If a person is worth 9% less in the labor market, then that's good, too. Fair is fair, unless the government -- or an unconstitutional central bank -- decides to come blundering in and imbalance everything in the entire economy, as the Federal Reserve had from 2008 until 2022!

One thing's for sure... if some hypothetical "Rodrigo" comes wandering in here from 'south of the border' and takes away the job that some American citizen was doing -- because Rodrigo was willing to do the same job for a lot less money, then that American citizen (who votes more often now for DemocratIC Party candidates ) has no one to blame but himself. And, 'fat-cat' Republican business-owners laugh in the background, secretly loving every minute of it!

 

Because you are unable to more likely.
Which specific issue were you hoping to debate?

 

You seem to think that the Europeans had no right to settle in the Americas at all. You had a clash of two cultures that had little in common. One was bound to lose. The loser had less technology. The clash was inevitable.

Did the Europeans mistreat the Indians? Yes, many times. Did the Indians act like savages? In some instances, yes.

 

No I don't.
I think the original Native North Americans ought to have millions of square miles of fertile land restored to them by taking that land from the descendants of European settlers, by force if necessary, and each person identified as a member of what some here quaintly describe as a 'tribe' be given at least 10 million dollars each raised from taxation.
You asked about hypocrisy, the hypocrisy is about the descendants of European people who moved to the beautiful part of the world that is called North America now want to stop others from doing so.

 

Your definition of 'savages' would be interesting. I suspect it would fit all those who use violence from whatever background.
You are right, Europeans arrived in North America and killed and stole from the inhabitants who were already there by dint of force. Not guidance by God, not some kind of destiny, not via the American Dream, but old fashioned violence. That might explain why America remains such a violent place.
Now Americans want to invoke the rule of law to stop people who they call illegal, why not line up machine guns at the border and mow the incomers down? Violence being the traditional way that apparently made America great you could probably sell tickets for the slaughter and stream it on the internet.

 

European culture wasn't 'more advanced' in any moral, intellectual or cultural sense, it simply had better weapons.

 

What is the legal status of immigrants in the U.S.?

Most immigrants (77%) are in the country legally, while almost a quarter are unauthorized, according to new Pew Research Center estimates based on census data adjusted for undercount. In 2017, 45% were naturalized U.S. citizens.

Some 27% of immigrants were permanent residents and 5% were temporary residents in 2017. Another 23% of all immigrants were unauthorized immigrants. From 1990 to 2007, the unauthorized immigrant population more than tripled in size – from 3.5 million to a record high of 12.2 million in 2007. By 2017, that number had declined by 1.7 million, or 14%. There were 10.5 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. in 2017, accounting for 3.2% of the nation’s population.

The decline in the unauthorized immigrant population is due largely to a fall in the number from Mexico – the single largest group of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. Between 2007 and 2017, this group decreased by 2 million. Meanwhile, there was a rise in the number from Central America and Asia.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/

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How are you classifying illegal immigrants?

According to the link above. 23% of immigrants are unauthorized. (I guess illegal would be some's term?)
But I suspect out of that 23%, many were born here and have been here their whole life. I think that term is DACA immigrants?

 

Okay, so you are one of those open borders, “no one is an illegal” guys. No country in the world can have open borders and survive, especially when that country has a welfare state.

Our public schools can’t educate our kids, and now they are getting slammed with thousands of illegal immigrant kids who can’t speak English. That’s only one of many problems. The current situation is unsustainable. Local governments are going broke with New York City heading up the list.

 

Florida Republicans who voted to pass the state's imminent anti-immigration law are trying to curb a potentially disastrous mass exodus of undocumented residents by touting the legislation's many "loopholes."

GOP Rep. Rick Roth, a third generation farmer, told NPR on Tuesday that state Senate Bill 1718, which goes into effect on July 1, was designed to "scare migrants." But he admitted that he and his colleagues were unprepared for the destabilization it would cause among the state's more established immigrant communities.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/07/1180646146/florida-immigration-law-sb-1718-republican-lawmakers

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Why is Florida teaching immigrants the loopholes in the laws they enacted to keep them from leaving the State?

Why are they not arresting all those illegals and sending them out of State or Country?
I mean, you claim it's only the democrats.

 

Them damn Fl dems, masquerading as Republicsns.

...
Florida Republicans who voted to pass the state's imminent anti-immigration law are trying to curb a potentially disastrous mass exodus of undocumented residents by touting the legislation's many "loopholes."

GOP Rep. Rick Roth, a third generation farmer, told NPR on Tuesday that state Senate Bill 1718, which goes into effect on July 1, was designed to "scare migrants." But he admitted that he and his colleagues were unprepared for the destabilization it would cause among the state's more established immigrant communities.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/07/1180646146/florida-immigration-law-sb-1718-republican-lawmakers

 

Would you be in favor of kicking the Muslins out of Europe who are now coming to overwhelm the European culture?

 

Those against Unions and min wage?

 

Supply, demand, equilibrium price. You allow millions to violate our border, you have radically increased the supply of uneducated laborers, which will drive down wages. Not good for our country.

 

Nah. We're just gonna deport the legal ones to make room for more illegal ones.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/bide...n-family-whove-been-in-u-s-for-over-15-years/

 

Europeans mistreated Natives.
But Natives are savages? Because of the mistreatment.

That is some biased use of words.

Perhaps the Europeans were the savages and the Natives were trying to protect their way of life?

 

No one should desire min. wage. Real wages, I think, would far exceed a min. wage. ITMT, the Left has had the power to raise it to $15 an hour, which they've been promising for going on 2 decades and has not. And now, $15 aint what it was. And Unions are a whole other bag of worms. Plenty of members of unions would like a raise AND to the option to opt out of the union of a given shop but that is not going to happen in many cases.

 

Those who desire min wage are typically those lowly service workers.

UAW workers seem to not hold your view on Unions.
In many states, workers are able to opt out of unions.